House camping function

[artlessknave]

What is this in response to? Because I'm not sure how a camping function would favor bots in any way. It favors people with nothing else to do in game at any given time which can be anyone. If you're responding to Thorncraft's word vomit, please don't. They have posted that in several threads as well as their own. This thread is about the camping function and I'd love to stay on topic with questions and suggestions to make this something SE might actually do.

Personally, I'm in favor of the deposit that's refunded when someone else gets the plot. I'm also not entirely convinced transfers shouldn't just wait with everyone else, but that's certainly not a deal-breaker for me. Removing the punishing need to click if you really want a house would be enough.

Also, would you even need the random timer anymore with this? Like... as long as there was some amount of time for word to spread about the plot, everyone could know they need to be in camp mode by a certain time and there's essentially just a raffle to all the characters present with the gil.

exactly how you pay for it would be up to SE. pay a deposit and refund, or pay as soon as timer ends, or something else that accomplishes similar, all depends on what can actually be implemented. maybe it would take the hamsters to long to calculate the refund for 30 players all putting in a deposit. i just don't know, but to match the current system, you would have to have the money ready, the same as if you were spamming the placard. maybe you get a ticket and have an hour to pay before the next person, but that becomes more of a lottery system, which they have clearly refused, or are unable, to implement. again, minimalism is the goal.

I would leave the random timer because it aims at a different problem, scalping. you cant buy a plot and sell it for ludicrous prices if you cant choose the buyer. as soon as you have a predictable timer, plot flipping becomes viable.

[drkekyll]

I would leave the random timer because it aims at a different problem, scalping. you cant buy a plot and sell it for ludicrous prices if you cant choose the buyer. as soon as you have a predictable timer, plot flipping becomes viable.

This problem is solved by a timer at all; it needn't be random. As long as there is time for other people to get to the plot to click, you can't guarantee a direct transaction. FC selling is easier. The random aspect adds very little here, and the length of the random timer just favors people who can AFK for the entire window meaning you're encouraging people to not play the game.

[artlessknave]

This problem is solved by a timer at all; it needn't be random. As long as there is time for other people to get to the plot to click, you can't guarantee a direct transaction. FC selling is easier. The random aspect adds very little here, and the length of the random timer just favors people who can AFK for the entire window meaning you're encouraging people to not play the game.

yes, you can, because if the timer is 4 hours long, you dont relenquish the plot until a time when you know that 4 hours later there will be the least number of players online, and your buyer knows the exact time. THAT is why it's a random timer, as soon as it's a predictable value you can manipulate it to increase the changes of what you want. if you can get 10 plots for 50 mil gold each, and sell 80% of them sucessfully for 150 mil each, you still made a profit over the loss on the 20%. if you can convince your buyer to pay the full price up front...then you made even more profit. that kind of scamming is allowed in EVE, but not ffxiv.

[Jojoya]

yes, you can, because if the timer is 4 hours long, you dont relenquish the plot until a time when you know that 4 hours later there will be the least number of players online, and your buyer knows the exact time. THAT is why it's a random timer, as soon as it's a predictable value you can manipulate it to increase the changes of what you want. if you can get 10 plots for 50 mil gold each, and sell 80% of them sucessfully for 150 mil each, you still made a profit over the loss on the 20%. if you can convince your buyer to pay the full price up front...then you made even more profit. that kind of scamming is allowed in EVE, but not ffxiv.

From the viewpoint of the flipper, they aren't going to care. They get their money for relinquishing the plot.

The risk is on the buyer side. They have no guarantee they will be the one who gets the plot.

There are a lot of players online even in the early morning hours, more than people who have 9 to 5 lives seem to think. The numbers may not be as large as they are in prime time but there would still be competition for the plot.

[artlessknave]

From the viewpoint of the flipper, they aren't going to care. They get their money for relinquishing the plot.

The risk is on the buyer side. They have no guarantee they will be the one who gets the plot.

There are a lot of players online even in the early morning hours, more than people who have 9 to 5 lives seem to think. The numbers may not be as large as they are in prime time but there would still be competition for the plot.

yes, but there is always someone who doesnt understand and tries to buy it not knowing how the system works. SE wont let that even exist as a possibility, so the random timer will stay, because thats its purpose, to make that so impossible that scalping doesn't exist. that's more important to them then players getting houses, clearly.