Now that Asmongold has decided to play, anyone worried on the server he will choose?

[Kolsykol]

One thing that does continue to bug me though, is that after all these years, no matter how often i let Youtube know I'm not interested, Youtube STILL pushes his videos into my sidebar like i am just waiting to select: "NOT INTERESTED" for the lord-knows-how-many-times.

I get that but with Fox News, CNN and John Oliver for some reason.
I'll have a video on in the background then after the video is over and it auto-plays the next it'll be like Fox News or something............

I am not even American lol...

Same with other American political Youtubers, doesn't matter if I tell Youtube I am not interested they'll just keep popping up.
And I actively avoid politics on Youtube.

[Thaciscokidd]

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But he's right though. I'll show my age and say it was almost the exact same way when people went from EverQuest to WoW and more than likely will be the same way when everyone moves on to the next big MMO. Whenever/whatever the next big MMO is it will be the exact same way saying that we are horrible and this new game is really nice and inviting.

We have our moments. Yeah the report system is stricter and broader than other games and that helps a ton, but its not gonna root out all of it(the Tales from the Duty Finder thread being proof enough) or for stuff that really cant be moderated by the FF staff that shines a negative light on us, like when Asmon said he wasn't feeling the music, some people took it like he insulted there mother while kicking there puppy off the porch.

[van_arn]

He's probably going to end up reading this thread and cringing- and for good reason.

He's going to have three types of followers- those that already play FFXIV and thus, are already here anyway, those that consider us all weebs and wouldn't touch the game with a ten foot pole, and some willing to come over and try it with him. I think the people who want to come and have fun here aren't going to cause any trouble, and the people who don't like us at best will come over spend a day flinging mud then go back to farming soul ash.

The best thing you can do if your server is inflicted with the Asmongold status is to just keep being the positive, great community you always have been. ^.^

This is too sensible for the forums.

[Conundrum]

I've come to the probably unpopular opinion that this game needs Asmongold and more like him and yes, his fans.

WARNING SEVERAL VERY UNPOPULAR THOUGHTS INCOMING.

I've only been playing this game since September, so a while, but not as long as many. In that time I've discovered a great many things I DISLIKE about this community.

First of all, it's every bit as toxic as any other MMO, but thanks to the sometimes heavy handed enforcement of the ToS, it's just shown in other ways than outright toxicity, mostly as massive passive aggression and reporting people for the most minor of offences.

Second, it collectively has a very cult like mentality. Everyone is awesome and loves you until you dare say any aspect of the game is not absolutely perfect (with a couple of exceptions like housing). I have literally seen streamers say they don't stream the game because they know that if they dislike anything the FFXIV "cult" will effectively try to cancel them. Or on the forums (mostly reddit in my experience, I haven't read or posted here as much), if you post a negative opinion, you will watch your posts score instantly drop to the point where it's hidden.

Third, the sheer amount of self righteousness this community displays when other MMOs are mentioned. You can see this when anytime WoW is mentioned it's always portrayed by the FFXIV community as an absolute hellscape of toxicity, when in fact it's no worse than here. It's toxicity is just more in the open and not hidden behind more cowardly acts. For example someone being toxic in WoW may call you an ***hole and they ****ed your mom, but that's the end of it. Someone here will just come up with some excuse to quietly slink off and report you to the GMs to try to get you banned for the slightest thing that offends them.

Fourth, Gatekeeping, nothing needs to be said, just look at the community freakout over Asmon announcing his intention to play

[Kolsykol]

I dunno if it has been posted already, but Zepla was on Allcraft with Asmon and Rich Campbell and it was pretty great.
I think Zepla did a great job.

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I really think that you're severely overexaggerating.
I do think that the moderation is maybe a tiny bit on the too strict side, but it's really not that hard to go unbanned in the game.

I also do think that a lot of the toxicity from FFXIV players towards WoW has to do with two things.
First of all, a lot of FFXIV players are old WoW players.
I grew up playing Blizzard games, WoW included.
When I talk shit about the state of Blizzard and WoW I don't do it from a '' FFXIV fans '' perspective, I am doing it from the same perspective as a WoW player.
I am doing it because I loved what Blizzard used to be and I am extremely disappointed with what they've become.

And second of all, I think that a lot of FFXIV players are just really tired of hearing people on the outside who have never played the game or even given it a chance talk shit about it.
Especially since it's normally so extremely petty and shallow like just calling it a '' weeb gaem '' or ranting about catgirls etc.
People in the FFXIV community complain and rant about the game all the time, but there is a difference between doing it from a pov of an actual FFXIV player and someone doing it from the pov of a salty WoW player or another third party pov.
And it becomes very frustrating when so much of it is just people who are essentially the equivelant of a dudebro frat boy trashing '' icky nerds '' for watching Anime.
And I think that a lot of people are taking the opportunity to kinda get payback and hit back, because now WoW is in such a bad state that people can kinda gloat and be all like '' yeah, the '' weeb game '' is better suck it ''.

I don't condone that, but at the same time I do think that it's very different and can kinda understand it at least.
And I think on some level a lot of those WoW players know this and are really mad about it because now they're on the receiving end.

Edit: I really don't think there has been a freakout either, most I've seen have been positive.
But I think maybe some people are a bit salty about it because of how Asmon has been talking about the game in some regard.
To some extent he does talk about it like that '' dudebro frat boy '' as I mentioned.

I don't think that he's actually coming from a bad place and I do think he will genuinely give it a chance tho.
Someone like Mikepreachwow tho did upset me a little because he legit seem'd to be actually disgusted on a personal level by the game and had this tone where he seem'd to really look down on and judge people who play it negatively.
I don't really get that impression from Asmon, his tone is totally different.

[NanaWiloh]

I can see him picking Balmung for the meme. It will spark joy.

I am not on Balmung but please dont let him go there or Mateus. Don't need the rp community having a melt down cause of his presence.

[Krotoan]

But he's right though. I'll show my age and say it was almost the exact same way when people went from EverQuest to WoW and more than likely will be the same way when everyone moves on to the next big MMO. Whenever/whatever the next big MMO is it will be the exact same way saying that we are horrible and this new game is really nice and inviting.

I'm not even saying WoW is full of horrible people. I came from there. I spent 6-7 years neck deep in it. I had great times with my friends and it was a blast to play AT THE TIME. WoW in general is just a more hostile experience now with not only it's developer outright implementing consumer hostile experiences but the playerbase takes it out on new people or people who "waste" their time. FF just in general a more welcoming experience and people are usually more helpful than not, WoW was never that. FFXIV is not a new game. It's been around forever and while it's been going I've dipped in and out of many other MMO's. The same people are HERE that were in WoW back in the day. I know because I came with them. They didn't change that drastically but their behavior in game tends to be much less negative.

We have our moments. Yeah the report system is stricter and broader than other games and that helps a ton, but its not gonna root out all of it(the Tales from the Duty Finder thread being proof enough) or for stuff that really cant be moderated by the FF staff that shines a negative light on us,

Nothing will ever eliminate all the nasty from the gaming community because like any other community there will be the bad apples and cruddy people. The point I'm making is that just because some group out there did cruddy (like extremely cruddy things like doxxing or harassing people) doesn't negate the fact that when I introduce people to FFXIV I can just say "go explore and talk to people" and have faith that they'll probably have a better experience than not. Whereas you introduce someone to WoW and they gotta get that head down, get to endgame and start to gear the hell up and make sure you watch the guides cause nobody sciences encounters anymore.

When someone says "hey you should try FFXIV, it's fun and friendly and there's lots of things to do" and then someone else pipes up with "WELLL.... This "fun and friendly" community did THIS bad thing and THAT bad thing and if you so much as swear once you'll be banned forever and you can't even have a house and blah blah blah onlybadthings".... it's like.. .. Nobody is saying the crud doesn't happen, but the positives are still there and who in the world gives people they want to play games with them a list of all the bad things that could possibly happen?

like when Asmon said he wasn't feeling the music, some people took it like he insulted there mother while kicking there puppy off the porch.

People get touchy about Masayoshi Soken and his work. People get emotional about music they enjoy too. Music inspires feelings and when people poop on music that makes you feel things, it feels VERY personal. Not that it's justified, but I can understand the reaction. It's a sensitive subject.

Fourth, Gatekeeping, nothing needs to be said, just look at the community freakout over Asmon announcing his intention to play

We have .. 2 threads? Maybe 3? Is that freaking out? I've noticed far more activity within the respective wow content creators about FFXIV than vice versa. Asmon is just one of many who are making the shift, WoW is making some absolutely poop changes to endgame BIS gear and for lots of even prominent content creators it's kinda the last straw. Asmongold has been pretty toxic in general about FFXIV (and it's all likely a bit) , so can you see why people would be touchy about him deciding he wants to play now?

[Kolsykol]

like when Asmon said he wasn't feeling the music, some people took it like he insulted there mother while kicking there puppy off the porch.

Didn't he say that he liked half of it and didn't like the other half.
That basically seems to be his stance on most things with FFXIV.
I think 2:48 was the part where he said that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTTtd6bnhFs
It's honestly the worst part musically in the trailer imo I don't like that part either it feels out of place.

He actually did listen to the Lahee theme after seeing the Soken meme and he said that he liked the theme and thought it was great.

I think he can warm up to it a little, if you watched the Allcraft episode with Zepla she even said herself that she was very judgemental towards FFXIV at first but now she loves it.
She had that same reaction of '' eew lewd catgirls '' but now she's like the biggest Viera fangirl around and makes videos about sexy mogs lol.
I honestly think that perhaps even most people in the West kinda have a stick up their ass when it comes to these things, like the whole puritan thing is sorta still there as an underlying thing.
I mean look at AAA games particularly in recent history, it's so humorless and takes itself ultra seriously and tries to be '' realistic ''.
I've seen people unironically have a mental breakdown from DMC5 because they thought it was gonna be like that because of the graphics and then were unironically triggered by the wacky nature of it.
As in throwing controller and screaming triggered.

But I think it's possible to get past that once you allow yourself to just enjoy things it's just a barrier you need to get over.
Not everyone can get over that but I think most people can.

[WoW]

A prison can have a great community if all the inmates are behaving and contributing to everyones well being, Yes. You seem to be confusing a good community with individually good morals. People with poop morals can be part of a good community if they are not allowed or able to act upon those cruddy morals.

You seem to have a lot of confusion here. If you’re nice just because you’re forced to by the rules and not from your own accord, then you’re just a hypocrite. And I don’t know in what galaxy would we consider wide spread hypocrisy as a sign of a good community.

If you can't tell if people are behaving because of the rules or because they want to be a contributing part of the community, then the system works and RESULT is still a good community.

Flawed logic. It tells me nothing about the community until we see how they behave when the restrictions are lowered on the rules. Which is what we saw on multiple occasions when someone says something they don’t like about the game. But why not just say we’re a community of hypocrites then? It’s a good thing based on your logic rofl!

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Don't forget what they do if they heard you skipped the story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-qn0y-UL0w

[linayar]

If you’re nice just because you’re forced to by the rules and not from your own accord, then you’re just a hypocrite. And I don’t know in what galaxy would we consider wide spread hypocrisy as a sign of a good community.

That assumes there is wide spread hypocrisy. Plenty of people already behave well within the rules without having to be a hypocrite.

Then again, if you're bad at your hypocrisy, then people will see right through you. If you're good at it, then people wouldn't know any better and it wouldn't affect them.

Either way, the sign of a good community is not wide spread hypocrisy, but people genuinely enjoying being in that community. If part of that is due to hypocritical people, well then kudos to those people for being able to restrain themselves enough to be a part of the community and kudos to the rules to help restrain these people.

And what about you? If you think there is wide spread hypocrisy in this community, then why are you in it? Surely you must find some enjoyment in at least part of it or you'd just leave it be.