Can we get normal manly males ?

[KizuyaKatogami]

Males in this game look kind of off, but it's not just that, it's the armor design too. Au ra males, for example, are completely ruined by their hips. Well, that and the gigantic horns on the side of their face, a lot of clipping (helmets are more important on males IMO). Highlanders look like cavemen - with no eyebrows. Roe just look plain weird, and short legs. I have to agree with someone else here on hrothgar, they don't really look 'cool', or 'feral' to me. Miqo'te are miqo'te, and viera are viera. Midlanders are the most 'normal' looking option, but end up being too short, and their customization leaves a lot to be desired. Midlanders probably need a good customization overhaul.

This game could use some more masculine (western) hairstyles for men, and that stubble would go a long way in making them look cooler as well.

Probably because a lot of glams too are more pertaining to female characters. It seems like they take much more time on female gear than they do the males, it’s very telling on certain glams. Usually healer and caster gear. It makes them look really weird and disjointed on males and it doesn’t help that they don’t seem to adjust gear based on actual racial body types. Probably more muh engine problems.

[van_arn]

Final Fantasy has been about pretty people from the beginning, if you go by the official art. The game graphics only started catching up to it in 8, though.

“It’s always been this way, and it doesn’t need to change” is the Prime symptom of the Final Fantasy disease, and that mindset is what is responsible for 1.0.

I’d rather see this game constantly adapt and improve, rather than get tired and dull from doing things because “that’s just how Final Fantasy is”

[TheMightyMollusk]

“It’s always been this way, and it doesn’t need to change” is the Prime symptom of the Final Fantasy disease, and that mindset is what is responsible for 1.0.

I’d rather see this game constantly adapt and improve, rather than get tired and full from doing things because “that’s just how Final Fantasy is”

Never said it couldn't change, just that expecting it to not be what it's always been to date is odd. I mean, I don't expect a new McDonalds to suddenly be real food when every other McDonalds has been...well, McDonalds.

[Lanadra]

Never said it couldn't change, just that expecting it to not be what it's always been to date is odd. I mean, I don't expect a new McDonalds to suddenly be real food when every other McDonalds has been...well, McDonalds.

Have you tried McDonalds in Europe?

[TheMightyMollusk]

Have you tried McDonalds in Europe?

I've never been to Europe, so that would be a neat trick, heh.

Did try a McDonalds in Japan. It was pretty good.

[Lauront]

I've never been to Europe, so that would be a neat trick, heh.

Did try a McDonalds in Japan. It was pretty good.

UK-wise at least, you're not missing out. ;p

The fact that I can't remake Gladio in this game is a travesty.

The closest you could come IMO is a lizard man, but then obviously scales and horns over facial hair.

[Theodric]

“It’s always been this way, and it doesn’t need to change” is the Prime symptom of the Final Fantasy disease, and that mindset is what is responsible for 1.0.

I’d rather see this game constantly adapt and improve, rather than get tired and full from doing things because “that’s just how Final Fantasy is”

To be fair, the statement that you're responding to isn't even necessarily true in the first place. Final Fantasy games have had plenty of attractive men that are classically handsome rather than 'pretty'. Jecht, Snow, Gladio, Golbez and many others.

Given that FFXIV is an MMO with multiple playable races, there's even less of an excuse for limitations. It's been a common request for years though - and mysteriously it's often people playing and posting on female characters who seek to downplay the demand and likelihood of male characters getting some attention for a change.

Strange, that.

It's something I've noticed over the years as someone who has repeatedly requested more customisation, glamour and hairstyles made with male characters in mind first and foremost.

[SturmChurro]

Probably because a lot of glams too are more pertaining to female characters. It seems like they take much more time on female gear than they do the males, it’s very telling on certain glams. Usually healer and caster gear. It makes them look really weird and disjointed on males and it doesn’t help that they don’t seem to adjust gear based on actual racial body types. Probably more muh engine problems.

There just isn't a lot of cool looking stuff for male characters. I'd like to say it's because it's an eastern game, but I've seen cool looking outfits/armors in eastern products. I do feel like a lot of stuff is designed with females in mind first though.

To be fair, the statement that you're responding to isn't even necessarily true in the first place. Final Fantasy games have had plenty of attractive men that are classically handsome rather than 'pretty'. Jecht, Snow, Gladio, Golbez and many others.

Thing is, I wouldn't really consider the playable males in this game "pretty" in the first place. To me, they are neither "pretty" or "classically handsome". Unfortunately, I think they did try to make pretty boys when it came to male viera, and I don't really like how that came out.

[Fukuro]

Given that FFXIV is an MMO with multiple playable races, there's even less of an excuse for limitations. It's been a common request for years though - and mysteriously it's often people playing and posting on female characters who seek to downplay the demand and likelihood of male characters getting some attention for a change.

Strange, that.

It's something I've noticed over the years as someone who has repeatedly requested more customisation, glamour and hairstyles made with male characters in mind first and foremost.

i know i might be reaching here, but over the time i have been playing this game, its been mostly dudes that play female characters being opposed to it (personal experience i made through friends and strangers ingame)- which i find even weirder. whenever i complained because we were repeatedly getting andro or feminine hairstyles it always went like: „go play another game, if you don‘t like it or just switch to fem miqo“.
i had one guy really opposed to the idea of adding male viera because it would destroy his fantasies of being (the only male) in a female only society. XD

on the other hand irl female players mostly agreed with the dire need for more handsome options/hairstyles for men.

again, it‘s just the experience i personally made - could be different or the opposite to other people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Eldevern]

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I'm an exception in your experience then

I don't mind more options. In fact, a character personalization similar to the one in Aion would have been nice. Tails, beards, scales, ears as options with toggle would have allowed hybrid forms.