About damage essences in Delubrum/Dalriada

[LittleImp]

I feel like it would be easier for people to just admit they don't care to contribute, rather than spending literal hours over the span of months constructing bad-faith arguments about...(drumroll) wasted time.

I would advise everyone to cut their losses; You're arguing with individuals who establish their beliefs first, and invent their justifications second. You will never be able to have a constructive argument in good faith with this type of person. Rational arguments are wasted on the irrational. You could produce hard evidence, including timetables, to definitely prove that essences save time, and I guarantee it still wouldn't be good enough; Reality has never, and will never have any bearing on this argument.

[Mavrias]

This is actually getting hilarious.

SE adds a machination to their game designed specifically to waste your time for no benefit, simply because they needed a time sink but were too lazy to come up with a proper effort/reward loop. So, does this community call out an obviously manipulative practice that's akin to crap mobile games... Nope, like proper little lemmings you all preach about decency, like the devs are altruists and we've FAILED THEM!! This forum is comic gold.

SE must love you all so much. They'll be able to keep you subbed and entertained in a negative feedback loop forever; just spending your time farming less time.

Homie, are you okay? This is an mmo, the whole game is a time sink designed to waste your time for no benefit.

[lezard21]

The mental gymnastics of trolls that want to leech and waste people's times trying to justify why it's ok to leech and waste people's times are astounding.

At least have the balls to own up to wanting to leech instead of wastime time (that could be used to farm clusters!) writing doctorate dissertations on why you are not leeching but are actually 5head optimized relic farming.

holy lmao dude

[Goji1639]

Homie, are you okay? This is an mmo, the whole game is a time sink designed to waste your time for no benefit.

I've slammed my head against plenty of long grinds in RPG's, the caveat being there was always a carrot at the end. SE just didn't bother with the carrot on this one; you're literally just spending 10 minutes to save 1.

I've walked you all through the technicals of why that's the case, and now I'm just watching people flail with responses like: "Dude ur wrong! I'm not going to address anything you just explained or provide any logic; I'm just gonna say ur wrong and sprinkle in words like leech and lazy because I need to sound confident to distract from the fact that I'm not saying anything! Holy lmao dude!"

[lezard21]

I've slammed my head against plenty of long grinds in RPG's, the caveat being there was always a carrot at the end. SE just forgot to add the carrot on this one; you're literally just spending 10 minutes to save 1.

I've walked you all through the technicals of why that's the case, and now I'm just watching people flail with responses like: "Dude ur wrong! I'm not going to address anything you just explained or provide any logic; I'm just gonna say ur wrong and sprinkle in words like leech and lazy because that's what gets likes here!"

Cherry pick your responses more? People have already argued back your questionable math™ by pointing out that you waste 10 minutes of your time for a run to end 1 minute earlier, but if all 23 people waste 10 mins of their time so that the raid ends 1 minute earlier, it ends 24 minutes earlier vs your 10 minute investment. It's a cumulative effort reward.

By your same logic, why use buffs like Brotherhood which only add 1k to your 20k DPS and completely ignore the fact that the 5% increase for your other 7 party members does make a significant DPS difference.

[Goji1639]

Cherry pick your responses more? People have already argued back your questionable math™ by pointing out that you waste 10 minutes of your time for a run to end 1 minute earlier, but if all 23 people waste 10 mins of their time so that the raid ends 1 minute earlier, it ends 24 minutes earlier vs your 10 minute investment. It's a cumulative effort reward.

By your same logic, why use buffs like Brotherhood which only add 1k to your 20k DPS and completely ignore the fact that the 5% increase for your other 7 party members does make a significant DPS difference.

I'm not cherry picking; I'm responding to everything and I've already responded to that point. "If all 23 people" is a moot observation; my using an essence doesn't affect what the other 23 people do, it only affects my output. I'm 1/24th of the raid and Skirmisher increases ONLY my output by 20%, so the improvement on the run doesn't make up for the time farming.

The cumulative effort gain is only valid in a situation like PF; where the cumulative effort is a prerequisite. Farming essences for DF, however, is always a waste of time.

You can perform all the mental gymnastics that you want, but that doesn't change the fact that not using an essence is less beneficial than using one. You aren't making a run worse, but you aren't making it better either. If you aren't willing to put in the effort that others are, don't expect them to respond positively.

If people want to think it's lazy and be all mad about it then that's their thing, I don't really care.

If you're going to tell me farming is more efficient for relic hunters, however, then step up with more than teary eyed wailings of the word leech. I've provided the logic and math for my position, and addressed the counterpoints.

idk why you're all trying to get him to change his opinion when he was already proven wrong in the last DR/essence thread and 'defended' his questionable logic and maths over several pages until no one bothered anymore, it's literally just the same argument again
should've ended when the troll called the rational, logical person a troll because his feefees are hurt when people disagree /shrug

Eh, it's the same as the other thread in that it's basically just a few of you who can't/won't address my counterpoints, but feel like you need to keep going because you don't want to accept I'm right. So, you keep making non-responses and patting each other on the back. These last 2 non-responses I've quoted here are good examples.

[Vahlnir]

I'm not cherry picking; I'm responding to everything and I've already responded to that point. "If all 23 people" is a moot observation; my using an essence doesn't affect what the other 23 people do, it only affects my output. I'm 1/24th of the raid and Skirmisher increases ONLY my output by 20%, so the improvement on the run doesn't make up for the time farming.

The cumulative effort gain is only valid in a situation like PF; where the cumulative effort is a prerequisite. Farming essences for DF, however, is always a waste of time.

You can perform all the mental gymnastics that you want, but that doesn't change the fact that not using an essence is less beneficial than using one. You aren't making a run worse, but you aren't making it better either. If you aren't willing to put in the effort that others are, don't expect them to respond positively.

[Rinhi]

idk why you're all trying to get him to change his opinion when he was already proven wrong in the last DR/essence thread and 'defended' his questionable logic and maths over several pages until no one bothered anymore, it's literally just the same argument again
should've ended when the troll called the rational, logical person a troll because his feefees are hurt when people disagree /shrug

[Vahlnir]

idk why you're all trying to get him to change his opinion when he was already proven wrong in the last DR/essence thread and 'defended' his questionable logic and maths over several pages until no one bothered anymore, it's literally just the same argument again
should've ended when the troll called the rational, logical person a troll because his feefees are hurt when people disagree /shrug

I know it's a pointless effort but figured I'd take a swing anyway. lol

[Fawkes]

It's like the prisoners dilemma or something.

• I use an essence and everyone else uses essences, I get a fast run but I had to spend extra time grinding.
• I don't use an essence and everyone else uses essences, I get a fast run and didn't have to grind.
• I use an essence and nobody else does, I get a slow run and wasted extra time grinding.
• Nobody uses an essence, I get a slow run but at least I didn't also grind.