Garlean Playable Race (?)

[Jandor]

How is it any different from hundreds of thousands of Male Viera running about? Their birth rates are supposed to be very low and none have been seen before but all of a sudden they’re now in high abundance everywhere? Yeah that’s stamping on the pieces. Also you’re assuming it’s only half a dozen people that are interested in this. Funny i’d think considering you’re a viera yourself you’d understand but i guess not. They don’t just bend the lore “a bit.” See 1.0 to 2.0 Male Miqote and Femroe lore bending. Again, you don’t seem to understand though. When it comes to the story, we’re the only one really there. Not the hundreds of other adventurers of different races or whatever, so it isn’t a huge lore bend to think we’re one of the very few garleans able to use magic(which we know is possible) or allowed to be in the city states. Literally please, stop using lore excuses when Yoshi P himself said back in ShB, they only use lore excuses for the mean time but a lot of it is done in poor taste and he acknowledges that after the Male Viera debacle.

When it comes to the story, you're the only Warrior of Light. You're not the only adventurer, either in the story itself or in the setting in general. The other players exist in the setting, and the setting is the foundation that the story is built on.

I have no intention of ignoring the lore, the world and the story are important, however I will add a non-lore reason. They're boring and bring nothing new or exciting to the list of options, adding them as a playable race would be waste of time and resources.

[Theodric]

They're boring and bring nothing new or exciting to the list of options, adding them as a playable race would be waste of time and resources.

That's completely subjective. A lot of people, myself included, have been asking for a tall and classically attractive playable race with no other features such as horns, scales or a tail for quite some time now. Garlean Purebloods if given a unique model true to their lore could provide that.

After all, the most popular playable races across multiple MMO's are generally either the equivalent of humans or some form of elf. That'd probably be the same case here in FFXIV if the proportions and design choices behind some of the character models were more palatable to mainstream tastes/conventional beauty standards.

As for it being a waste of time and resources? That's also subjective - personally I wouldn't agree with that. Nor would they necessarily need to be added right away.

The game's set to be supported for at least another ten years of development.

[Jandor]

That's completely subjective. A lot of people, myself included, have been asking for a tall and classically attractive playable race with no other features such as horns, scales or a tail for quite some time now. Garlean Purebloods if given a unique model true to their lore could provide that.

After all, the most popular playable races across multiple MMO's are generally either the equivalent of humans or some form of elf. That'd probably be the same case here in FFXIV if the proportions and design choices behind some of the character models were more palatable to mainstream tastes/conventional beauty standards.

As for it being a waste of time and resources? That's also subjective - personally I wouldn't agree with that. Nor would they necessarily need to be added right away.

The game's set to be supported for at least another ten years of development.

I want a cohesive setting and a main story that makes sense, you want a classically handsome tall dude. We can both have what we want by spending the time and effort that adding the Garleans would require on instead expanding customization options for the existing playable races.

You do realise that's what many people say about Viera? I mean there's existing playable races I consider to be boring and a waste of time and resources, but then I realise that's down to my personal tastes and not really a compelling reason not to add something.

To be fair, they're probably right about Viera, I like my Viera but I never asked for them and would have been fine carrying on as a cat had they not been added.

I've said before, even in this thread, that I don't think they were handled particularly well, but I also don't think that's a very compelling reason to make the same mistake again. The work required to integrate playable Garleans into the setting and story is greater than the Viera required, and IMO simply too great to be worth it.

[Lauront]

When it comes to the story, you're the only Warrior of Light. You're not the only adventurer, either in the story itself or in the setting in general. The other players exist in the setting, and the setting is the foundation that the story is built on.

I have no intention of ignoring the lore, the world and the story are important, however I will add a non-lore reason. They're boring and bring nothing new or exciting to the list of options, adding them as a playable race would be waste of time and resources.

You do realise that's what many people say about Viera? I mean there's existing playable races I consider to be boring and a waste of time and resources, but then I realise that's down to my personal tastes and not really a compelling reason not to add something.

Of course I don't think it will be feasible until they proceed with this touted engine overhaul, to allow for more granular customisation options, and in turn reduce the amount of resources they spend when adding new options, but nothing in adding them would require ignoring existing lore to a greater extent than other new races have.

In fact, the lore objection and the way a major canon source is frowned upon because it "might" be wrong simply strikes me as bad faith, motivated reasoning... we heard this stuff with male Viera as well. It is no real obstacle.