Apartments need Rent

[Almagnus1]

I've gone back through this thread and see you've been blanking people who have asked how adding rent is supposed to make apartments more appealing

Ok, so think through why would I be doing that intentionally (and no it's not trolling).

I think MilkieTea is still waiting for an apology.

Never gonna happen, they were in the wrong and they know it.

[Catstab]

think through why would I be [ignoring posters in this thread] intentionally.

Because ignoring counterpoints is a good way to privately pretend you're winning an argument. Nearly every responder has said "the permanence of apartments is the best thing about them, removing this is unacceptable, this idea is bad and SE should not consider it." And you seem to think if you don't acknowledge any of us and just keep saying unrelated things, you're covered.

Milkie asked you directly what you think this will improve. Jojoya has asked you. I have asked you. You aren't answering us because you don't have an answer. It wouldn't make anything better, and you're fully aware of that.

[ItMe]

Ok, so think through why would I be doing that intentionally (and no it's not trolling).

I did think about it, but couldn't put 2 and 2 together. That's why I asked what the thought process was. Perhaps it should be obvious, but I just don't understand.

Never gonna happen, they were in the wrong and they know it.

Wether someone is right or wrong we should treat each other kindly.

[Almagnus1]

I did think about it, but couldn't put 2 and 2 together. That's why I asked what the thought process was. Perhaps it should be obvious, but I just don't understand.

And if my mind has changed on the matter and there's nothing to discuss...

Wether someone is right or wrong we should treat each other kindly.

Which means we also shouldn't play the victim for sympathy when we're in the wrong, and own our mistakes.

[ItMe]

And if my mind has changed on the matter and there's nothing to discuss...

Changed your mind?
Gotcha gotcha.
But can you please still explain your initial thought process for me?
And which part of you mind has changed? Because it sounds like you're still behind the idea of rent?

[Almagnus1]

Which is why you're going to have a hard time getting people to engage in constructive discussion with you. You started pulling the victim card in this thread when there was no need. That was wrong of you.

I've had to report one stalker into the ground before they were dealt with, and there's another that's basically sitting on that line. Are you seriously suggesting we should condone stalking?

Also, never apologize for anything on the internet because people of ill intent will take that apology and rake you over the coals with it, as has been shown in this forum several times. You also have several lovely people that will dig into your past and find something that (when pulled out of context) is really bad and then proceed to beat you over the head with it. This is especially true when you are controversial.

Let us know when you're willing to acknowledge your mistakes.

I also never make mistakes, just happy accidents =D

Changed your mind?
Gotcha gotcha.
But can you please still explain your initial thought process for me?
And which part of you mind has changed? Because it sounds like you're still behind the idea of rent?

Eh, it helped do some thought exploration around both apartments and rent, and what their role in FFXIV should be, so in that respect the thread was a success (although many would disagree with that assessment).

At this time, we need to see how the new stuff in Endwalkers shakes out first, and how that has an impact on housing... That might help increase the perceived value of apartments (as it gives a viable alternative to house gardening), or it might end up as a wash. Either way, apartments should really be left alone for the time being.

Rent, on the other hand, would actually be better (IMO) for houses as it allows for a replacement mechanic for all the auto-demo mechanics currently associated with houses. Not only would that help make things really straightforward, especially if they allow you to bank at least two months or so of rent, but it means someone can take a break from this game for longer than the current system especially if the rent mechanic allows for others to pay rent on your house (so someone could make an arrangement to take an extended break for whatever reason and still have their house). Additionally, having to pay rent may cause people to give up their houses, which helps with the supply issue for houses. As there's rent, that's going to decrease demand, which also helps the housing issues. And by making the FC house rent significantly higher than the personal one, it makes it harder for the people that own wards to continue to own them, which will help with the housing supply.

[Jojoya]

I've had to report one stalker into the ground before they were dealt with, and there's another that's basically sitting on that line. Are you seriously suggesting we should condone stalking?

Who in this thread is stalking you?

Where on earth are you getting the idea I condone stalking?

Cannot you genuinely not understand it's this sort of reaction and constant shift of topics by you in a thread you started to discuss how to improve apartments that is leading to the impression you're just trolling this forum?

You say you're not trying to troll. Prove it. Return to your original topic - how to make apartments more attractive to players - and stick to it.

[Kenky]

how to make apartments more attractive to players - and stick to it.

oh, see. That's pretty simple. (From a theory standpoint)

They could:

- Add more Apartment Sizes
- Allow apartment owners to 'upgrade' to bigger sizes
- Communal Greenhouse for cultivation / Crossbreeding
- FC 'Penthouses' that have regular Apartment rooms inside at a discount (similar to FC rooms in a house)
- Community Workshop (No airships / Subs, but construction capabilities.)
- FC Workshop (Everything from a Houses Workshop. Kept separate from Community Workshop)
- Communal Lounge (Only Apartment owners of that building can enter. Just a small rooftop pool, for examples sake)

With all of that added to Apartments, the only benefit to having a house is the land value. Actually having a physical structure in the world, complete with a garden. It keeps the main value of the houses, yet the alternative is rather lucrative in its own right.

(I personally doubt any of these will be added to Apartments, but one can dream. If it does, I would happily relinquish my Shiro house.)

[Almagnus1]

Who in this thread is stalking you?

Catstab specifically. Go do a look through their post history and almost every single post from at least the last 25 are a direct response to me. At this point it's like "dude, get a life, go to other forums, and leave me alone" but.... they won't do that =/

Cannot you genuinely not understand it's this sort of reaction and constant shift of topics by you in a thread you started to discuss how to improve apartments that is leading to the impression you're just trolling this forum?

Yes, but that's how I'm wired =D

You say you're not trying to troll. Prove it. Return to your original topic - how to make apartments more attractive to players - and stick to it.

Discussion on that point is pretty much over tbh - make them bigger/multifloor, give them a balcony for some outdoor decorations (you want bigger ones, get a house), have the new Endwalker Content obsolete/replace crossbreed gardening, give us public access to a workshop. There's not much else to discuss on this topic and as the OP for the thread is intertwine with rent, and has been more about rent (which is on topic btw), a stricter discussion on apartment improvement outside of rent would make more sense in a different thread - so stop complaining about it and go start one if you want to discuss that so badly.