Apartments need Rent

[MilkieTea]

And you have zero historical context for what was going on back then, so zero understanding of how much of a cluster it was to get a house. You had to find a house flipper, pay them gil, hope that someone didn't snipe you, and then buy the house. People were making gil hand over fist for the housing system (which they aren't know) and if you didn't have at least (IIRC) 20M gil to burn, you wouldn't have enough for a small house - and that was in SB currency. Going after a large house? Better hope you have 200M gil (or more) otherwise good luck. There were absolutely NO houses open on the populated worlds because players with too much time and gil would start buying up the houses once they got the alts up high enough to be able to get a house, and after they started forming the shell FCs. 2/4 things in the post YOU LINKED were directly addressing that observation and trying to stop that because normal people didn't have a realistic shot at getting a house on the populated servers and the advice given was "you want a house, go to a smaller server". That was BEFORE we were able to hop servers as easily as we can nowadays.

So yes, I'm a bit miffed at you (and rightfully so) because all you want is the easy forum "win". You refuse to take time and understand something that was going on three years before you joined the forums (and likely three years before you joined FFXIV), so don't understand the frustrations with housing and how Sisyphean it was to attempt to get a house without going through a third party and hoping that they honored the agreement (and enough did not that it was a problem and you had to pray that a GM was willing to side with an agreement made outside of FFXIV or you were out the house flipping fee).

None of this has any relevance to the conversation that was had. It was a simple “wasnt this the person who did X?” “wait really? proof!” “heres what theyre referring to!”

No context was needed.

[Almagnus1]

None of this has any relevance to the conversation that was had. It was a simple “wasnt this the person who did X?” “wait really? proof!” “heres what theyre referring to!”

No context was needed.

Actually it does. Besides, why should you care when you're not the one that keeps getting flamed for their four year old post.

[MilkieTea]

Actually it does. Besides, why should you care when you're not the one that keeps getting flamed for their four year old post.

But I personally am not flaming you for that post. I never was and never did. Do I think your reaction to someone having it as their signature was absurd? YES. Do I think your suggestion was perfectly fine and was tailor made around a specific problem that I have NEVER experienced? Yes. Do I think in the current climate it sucks? Also yes.

Regardless, I think this conversation has shown that once heated, you lack the ability to read people's conversations in the context of the conversation, and jump to assume that everyone is out to attack you when they're not. I'd still like an apology for the extremely disingenuous and poor-taste framing of my conversation with Vahlnir.

[Almagnus1]

But I personally am not flaming you for that post. I never was and never did. Do I think your reaction to someone having it as their signature was absurd? YES. Do I think your suggestion was perfectly fine and was tailor made around a specific problem that I have NEVER experienced? Yes. Do I think in the current climate it sucks? Also yes.

Regardless, I think this conversation has shown that once heated, you lack the ability to read people's conversations in the context of the conversation, and jump to assume that everyone is out to attack you when they're not. I'd still like an apology for the extremely disingenuous and poor-taste framing of my conversation with Vahlnir.

Or rather, once it gets brought up (especially when ripped from the context of the post) it turns into a flame war against me and I'm getting tired of some random idiot on the forums pointing to a four year old post and then people going "YOU ARE THE SPAWN OF ZODIARK AND MUST BE PURGED LIKE THE ASCIAN YOU ARE!". How tolerant would YOU be of people doing that EVERY SINGLE TIME someone quotes a four year old post?

[MilkieTea]

Or rather, once it gets brought up (especially when ripped from the context of the post) it turns into a flame war against me and I'm getting tired of some random idiot on the forums pointing to a four year old post and then people going "YOU ARE THE SPAWN OF ZODIARK AND MUST BE PURGED LIKE THE ASCIAN YOU ARE!". How tolerant would YOU be of people doing that EVERY SINGLE TIME someone quotes a four year old post?

Pretty tolerant, though everyone reacts to things differently and how I react is nothing like how you or the next person would react. For example - about 2 years ago I called out an extremely popular vine influencer who moved over to tiktok of being a groomer of underage children and proceeded to get stalked and harassed by her godfather for months afterwards. (Tish Simmonds, btdubs). I handled it fine - which isn't to say that someone who doesn't handle it fine is less capable or any worse or better than me.

We all handle things differently, so asking "How would *you* feel if X" doesn't really fly.

There was no context necessary for the post as it was, in the context of the *conversation* unnecessary - and if anyone wanted to see context for the post itself, they could simply click.

I'd still like an apology, and I'd also be very happy if you didn't indirectly call me an idiot.

[Jojoya]

Or rather, once it gets brought up (especially when ripped from the context of the post) it turns into a flame war against me and I'm getting tired of some random idiot on the forums pointing to a four year old post and then people going "YOU ARE THE SPAWN OF ZODIARK AND MUST BE PURGED LIKE THE ASCIAN YOU ARE!". How tolerant would YOU be of people doing that EVERY SINGLE TIME someone quotes a four year old post?

How often are they doing it because they now know they can get a rise out of you every time?

Learn to ignore the baiters who enjoy inciting drama. You had what appeared to be a solid suggestion at the time based on the housing situation at the time. Whether or not SE implemented because they saw your suggestion in the forum or they had already been considering it independently, they also felt it had merit as a solution. That it is now part of the game is ultimately SE's responsibility, not yours.

The best response to the baiters is no response at all. If they stop getting a reaction out of you, they will get bored and find someone else to target.

[ramsesh]

Actually it does. Besides, why should you care when you're not the one that keeps getting flamed for their four year old post.

So you agree that your proposition was a bad idea? People wouldn't be flaming it if they didn't think it stunk.

[Almagnus1]

So you agree that your proposition was a bad idea? People wouldn't be flaming it if they didn't think it stunk.

There is no good solution for the current housing problems unless SE fundamentally changes how things work (like start leveraging instanced housing for example). That much should be obvious to everyone posting here....

[ramsesh]

There is no good solution for the current housing problems unless SE fundamentally changes how things work (like start leveraging instanced housing for example). That much should be obvious to everyone posting here....

On this we agree, there is no easy solution. I think part of the problem is we've now lived through a "housing crisis" as so many would put it, that everyone just wants a change.

The initial issue was more the idea of the timer, which really does suck.

anyway I think my primary issue is that a lot of the ideas you put forth are egregiously bad for one of two reasons 1) they aggressively attack people who worked to get what they got and 2) they'd be extremely punishing to new players and fcs which is sort of going against the idea of what you're trying to help propose solutions for.

Not trying to incite an argument but I think your comment here should really be the end of it: "There is no good solution for the current housing problems unless SE fundamentally changes how things work." Anything we the community propose has the potential to become explosive, terrible and altogether ridiculous.

[Nepentha]

None of this has any relevance to the conversation that was had. It was a simple “wasnt this the person who did X?” “wait really? proof!” “heres what theyre referring to!”

No context was needed.

Honestly, if they want to be mad at someone, I'm right here.

Though I would still like to know what exactly is going on. Either they're proud of their idea being implemented, so in that case who cares if anyone associates it with them? Or they realize it's turned out to be a terrible mistake and is making a lot of people miserable so they are trying to distance themselves from it. Who knows.