PLD... The curious contradiction....

[Ricky]

Good point... but spirits within is really not limited by lack of blocking, as it stands... It's really only limited by it's own cooldown

Also.... being that enmity can be a major bottleneck for DD's... If PLD could generate even 25% more enmity than a WAR then fights would go faster than with WAR tanking, even if the PLD didn't deal any damage, because the DD's wouldn't have to hold back as much.
Here is a secret... High DPS is the key to speedy kills... and Tank Enmity is the key to high DPS

It isn't even an issue of killing the boss fast is it? I thought the clear of the trash took a larger amount of time, in every MMO I've ever played speed runs came down to efficiency of clearing the trash and that's why Steel Cyclone makes Warrior the preferred class, but I may be wrong

re: Spirits Within, isn't that 3000 TP without combo? I can't log in and check, but I'd rather do Flat Blade combos with excess TP and always combo Spirits Within rather than spending the whole 3000 on it, especially considering Phalanx is only 250 if I recall

But anyway, yeah, with Collusion and Antagonize and Vengeance and Flash (lol) and all the other tools the Warrior has I can see your point, they didn't really give Paladin comparable tools, while Blood Bath and Second Wind for Warrior are, I feel, truly comparable to Holy Succor

[Murugan]

It isn't even an issue of killing the boss fast is it? I thought the clear of the trash took a larger amount of time, in every MMO I've ever played speed runs came down to efficiency of clearing the trash and that's why Steel Cyclone makes Warrior the preferred class, but I may be wrong

re: Spirits Within, isn't that 3000 TP without combo? I can't log in and check, but I'd rather do Flat Blade combos with excess TP and always combo Spirits Within rather than spending the whole 3000 on it, especially considering Phalanx is only 250 if I recall

But anyway, yeah, with Collusion and Antagonize and Vengeance and Flash (lol) and all the other tools the Warrior has I can see your point, they didn't really give Paladin comparable tools, while Blood Bath and Second Wind for Warrior are, I feel, truly comparable to Holy Succor

You can pop block with aegis boon though, and do both war drum/phalanx->Spirit's Within. I think that is what he meant, it isn't an issue of you "having to wait for block" right now. It is the cooldown on the abilities themselves.

[Rydin]

re: Spirits Within, isn't that 3000 TP without combo? I can't log in and check, but I'd rather do Flat Blade combos with excess TP and always combo Spirits Within rather than spending the whole 3000 on it, especially considering Phalanx is only 250 if I recall

You can pop block with aegis boon though, and do both war drum/phalanx->Spirit's Within. I think that is what he meant, it isn't an issue of you "having to wait for block" right now. It is the cooldown on the abilities themselves.

Right... I said the issue is the cooldown... not the TP involved...