Housing invisible timer is dumb, and here's why. [+Suggestions]

[Almagnus1]

The biggest problem we have with housing is that there's no good gil sinks in FFXIV and it's entirely possible to make millions of gil very quickly because the economy has too much gil in it... which basically means (like others have pointed out) that raffles and houses are going to boil down to whoever has the most gil, or whoever is using RMT to get the most gil. While I would love to see a gil sink, SE needs to figure out a better way to do that with gil or this will be a perpetual problem.

[Themarvin]

None existing timer does serve a major purpose though, you will lose out to bots, that then will generat 1 person FCs and go into Real Estate or actual RMT, much worse with timers visible, as they then can plan the hostile take overs even better.

Raffles or lotto systems is even worse, what would stop bots and others not to put in several tickets, where as the player only put in one, then organisations could put in 20 easy winning the plot and house to their advantage and abuse of other players there of, by reselling it as a 1 person fc for 10x to 100x its value.

They Need to Enhance the system to x amount of clicks per day per plot to flush out corruption some more, they need to put in FC activity system with weekly FC activity that must be done, that would be real harsh work if only 1 or 2 players, but easy doing if am like 5 different accounts playing.

Flush out corruption = create a more fair playground.

[Themarvin]

You are all explaining why my alternatives are bad and I know they are bad. But they are better than current systems. They were/will be abused? Well, probably. Most likely, yeah. But will still be less frustrating and harmful to normal players.

You argue for botter. Sure, I will bite. Right now you can bot your way to buying a house as well. Just set up a bot to spam buttons faster than a human possibly can. Set up two or three bots. Same issue. The only result is health (including mental) loss for real players.

Current system doesn't fix anything. It still allows abuse as being seen, still promotes botters, while hurting normal players.

So yeah, from various alternatives that all allow abuse and botting, I will take one that impacts normal player less. And that's a system that does not require me or anyone else to camp for 20 hours without break to even have a chance.

And I see nothing wrong with having the richest have the houses. Houses are limited, they are meant to be luxury property. With proper enforcements of single plot for single FC/player and maybe minimum player number in FC required to even buy a land (right now it's only rank afaik), this would be fine. That's why I feel like both Auction and Raffle alternatives I provided have real chance to work out.

No it is horrible, above people explain it well, most of us have lived through the systems you show, and most of us know how it would work... your things may look good on the the paper, but the drought would end in hands of botting and RMT, and players wont be able to beat the bots, further more the PS4 and 5 players would be a huge disadvantage, as pretty much anyone who play on PC would be able to exploit it horrible.

[Jojoya]

You are all explaining why my alternatives are bad and I know they are bad. But they are better than current systems. They were/will be abused? Well, probably. Most likely, yeah. But will still be less frustrating and harmful to normal players..

No, they aren't better. They don't improve anyone's chances of getting a house. They're more likely to make your chances of getting a house even worse.

No, they won't be less frustrating. The frustration comes not being able to get a house.

The current system doesn't cause harm to anyone. Players are intended to check the placard, see the plot is not yet available for purchase then go do other things before returning an hour or two or five later to check again. Many players have managed to get houses doing it the way it's intended, no placard camping necessary.

That some choose to twist the intended system and do it in a different way is their choice.

Are you really trying to convince people that sitting on your butt while clicking a keyboard or mouse or controller to interact with a placard is any more physically demanding than sitting on your butt while clicking a keyboard or mouse or controller to interact any other part of the game? Because it's not.

Any harm comes from your personal obsession with owning virtual pixels in an online game that you completely ignore everything else to feed that obsession.

That is on you. It is your choice to sit at the placard for hours. Stop trying to blame others.

If you're that concerned you're causing yourself harm, then log out of the game and uninstall so you will no longer hurt yourself. That's what a rational person does. They rid themselves of harmful behavior.

[ItMe]

I have added a link to this in the megathread.
Not that I'm trying to steer the conversation there at this point, but just for future reference.

[ICountFrom0]

They Need to Enhance the system to x amount of clicks per day per plot to flush out corruption some more,

Bots are an unlimited resource. Even if you could only click once, the botfarm would just run through thousands of bots to click every second, or didn't you see the bot parade video, (before it was taken down because containing player names is harassment).

[azura84]

I agree with OP, the original system was less harmful than the current one, I didn't like the black market but it was still better than this because if you were attentive you could catch the properties that got demolished. where as now you may be attentive but then you have to fight a dozen other players for it that showed up late to the party. What's worse is 4/5 plots i've camped have had someone relocate into them without any waiting, making all that effort wasted and starting over with a new plot.

The easiest solution would be to expand the apartments to having access to indoor gardening, create small village instances with houses and just overall implement more housing. I personally like the idea of communities but there is absolutely zero benefit to having houses in giant lots like we have.

SE "20 million players!"
Also SE "5,700 houses per server, have fun you filthy animals"

[Garten]

Dont lose your time and your mind Op. A loro of people here Will Just Say that "you decided to Camp the placard"not se fault.
I Wish that some other part of the game would been treated with this madness of sistem. Like, if you Wanna do Savage you have to click a teleport and Hope to get in, but you can still click for hours for nothing.

[Jojoya]

Dont lose your time and your mind Op. A loro of people here Will Just Say that "you decided to Camp the placard"not se fault.
I Wish that some other part of the game would been treated with this madness of sistem. Like, if you Wanna do Savage you have to click a teleport and Hope to get in, but you can still click for hours for nothing.

There's no limit on the number of Savage instances that can be active at the same time (or at least that number is so large it's meaningless) so that's why Savage doesn't get a timer.

There is a limit on the number of available houses so that's why housing has the timer.

If you the timer to go away, SE needed to make certain that the number of houses available is always equal to or greater than the demand for houses. They could do that with a fully instanced system like other MMOs use.

For whatever reason, SE doesn't want to go that route so we're stuck arguing over a multitude of bad options that do nothing because they're still not going to create houses out of nothing for the players who want them.

[Thorncraft]

Plot is relinquished [placard does state for Relocation or Sale during their respective phases] > Invisible 10-hour-timer starts for Relocation (that\\'s 42% of a real day to decide). Once Relocation timer is up no more Relocation and the plot goes up for sale > next 0-4 hours that plot can not be bought (that is minimum of 58% of a real day to login and see there could potentially be a plot up, given the relocation goes unphased) > 4-12 hours the invisible timer starts (like the current one) > invisible timer goes off or after 12 hours > the plot goes up for insta-purchase. The minimum amount of turn around time would be 14 hours from relinquish to purchase with max being 26 hours. Relocation still gets priority but timers favor a buyer. Lastly, the knowledge of a rough buy window with only an 8 hour spam window is priceless. What do you think?