What is parsing?

[Naaura]

It's vital for min-maxing, which is one of the main appeal of harder content, and punishing people for using ACT in an innocent and positive manner would just kill the raiding scene, most of the negativity towards it comes from either people who don't want to be held accountable to slacking or people who are afraid of the toxicity it might bring in easier content.

Yeah, absolutely. This already has been happening to WoW where the casual players have been completely deterred from doing normal content latest years and now look where the game is.

The addon does sound it has its usefulness if used with precaution in a progressive team to get the stuff you need.

Such a pity its in a such sensitive grey zone of the game where it has its good but absolutely against ToS. Leaving the players to risk and wonder if its worth it. Gameplay wise? Absolutely, if snitched on...Then its game over. :S

[Rinhi]

Unless they are purposely afking all simultaneously...How would you know that? You must use an addon to know they aren't doing well, no? 8) dumdum duum

red mages hardcasting spells such as verraise or verthunder (best when it's 2 rdm's hardcasting it simultaneously
healers afk-ing unless the tank takes a modicrum of damage and then they'll spam cure 1 or medica (mentor btw)
tanks not using mitigations unless they're at half health and then using all mitigations (also a mentor)
samurai or monks that don't have their buffs up at all etc etc

my friends use it to gauge their performances, to see if they have a decent grasp of the job they're currently playing and I really think that they'd never use it to put people down, instead, they'd probably use it to try and help people instead!
the addon just makes it easier for them to see the whole party's performance when they, say, wipe multiple times during easy trials because multiple people do next to no dps...

Such a pity its in a such sensitive grey zone of the game where it has its good but absolutely against ToS. Leaving the players to risk and wonder if its worth it. Gameplay wise? Absolutely, if snitched on...Then its game over. :S

acting like this isn't cute, fyi, it's pretty cringe
most of the people on this forum that argued for it have made multiple good points for it in the several threads we had about it, while the side against it's most frequent argument was 'muh toxic wow' 'muh harassing people' while the ignoring their own 'toxicity' that they showed again and again while arguing, like, case in point here, passive aggressively threatening people even if they haven't bothered anyone

you most likely didn't mean to come across like THAT with your post so I apologize for the tone of my post, but I'll let it stand because it's a valid point imo

[Naaura]

my friends use it to gauge their performances, to see if they have a decent grasp of the job they're currently playing and I really think that they'd never use it to put people down, instead, they'd probably use it to try and help people instead!

I absolutely love this.
Most of the time if I look like I am failing mechanics or something, is because I genuinely am struggling and I am still learning my job. Everytime I caught a mentor to try and point out the right direction, I always accepted it. More often than not, I completely missed out on a quest I had to do and wasn't even aware of!

I hope that FFXIV doesn't become dependent on the parsing addon and instead organically and intuitivelly evolves to work out for the players if they are doing well. Like a built in performance list without numbers but rather like "hey this player has been auto attacking only" in progression content. This way casual content doesn't get affected and newbs dont feel too scared!

[Rinhi]

I absolutely love this.
Most of the time if I look like I am failing mechanics or something, is because I genuinely am struggling and I am still learning my job. Everytime I caught a mentor to try and point out the right direction, I always accepted it. More often than not, I completely missed out on a quest I had to do and wasn't even aware of!

I hope that FFXIV doesn't become dependent on the parsing addon and instead organically and intuitivelly evolves to work out for the players if they are doing well. Like a built in performance list without numbers but rather like "hey this player has been auto attacking only" in progression content. This way casual content doesn't get affected and newbs dont feel too scared!

see, we're on the same page here, when I leveled up BLM the last weeks I've eaten quite a few mechanics, either knowingly or unknowingly, because I was struggling with the casting, moving and rotation part for the longest time

in an ideal world the game would have something like this, but we don't have an ideal world, instead we have plenty content where people don't have to do the bare minimum, or hell, where people can straight up do nothing, and the content will still get cleared - even if it took double the time and made the people that "carried" the bad player(s) feel bad (and once you've freestyle sam'd titania and were still by far the highest damaging dps according to your friend, you realize just HOW bad people can be - after we wiped the first time we, funnily enough, didn't wipe the second time because the other players in the party put a bit of effort into it :O)
many of the pro crowd were also in support of like a second hall of the novice thing, maybe something like a hall of the intermediate and a hall of expert that people have to clear at one point throughout their progression - or maybe make the job quests actually require them to do their job properly instead of allowing people to cheese through it or just turn it into... nothing by turning it to very easy
most of it is really just bad habits that they picked up or were even encouraged by others (including mentors) that could, imo, easily be changed if the game (or community :3) would require them to
but until then, you'll have people with multiple jobs at 80 and a mentor crown giving out bad advice, using cure 1 and medica in level 50+ content as if it's going out of style and never using any kind of DPS spells because that's what they learned

[Naaura]

I have hope that Yoshi P will think of something genius again that will bring the best of both worlds about this conundrum so that both learners and progression groups can reap its benefits.

I was hesitant to ask this question first for its sensitive issue, but I am glad that people here are still wholesome ♥

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I would like to know how one can tell if others are underperforming if you can tell how. I personally cant tell unless I can visually see that they are distracted and just not doing their rotation and following boss mechanics.
And this thread is about what is parsing because I kept hearing for years but I finally remembered to ask since it was mentioned earlier

If you never played said classes, chances are you’re stuck to wild guessing & probably something like: ”I just refreshed my Combust DoT, but then I see my SCH coheal does not refresh their Biolysis. I wonder if they forgot about it…”

If a player have experienced the firsthand gameplay & familiar enough, it is very easy to tell because all classes only has -one- way to play optimally. Obviously not everybody does the same rotation at 100% accuracy. But when one deviate 180° degree from said optimal rotation, their output becomes barely mediocre at best (see: Ice BLM)

Magical classes are the easiest to spot even when you’re not proficient with them. Hint: caster bar (Hardcaster RDM, Ice BLM, DoT-less/Ruin III SMN, overhealer/netflix healers)

Physical classes on the other hand requires -slightly- more observation & experience but can still be spotted without much effort. I.e 1-2-3 combo maniac, AoEless during big pulls, lv80 SAM in dungeon constantly sitting on 4th in enmity list, DoTless/Songless BRD, DNC without partners, paper cooldown-less tanks, PLD & DRK that has 10k MP 99% of time, DRG that never uses their plethora of buffs, 0 Trick Attack/Ninjutsu-less NIN, and many more.

Casual contents don’t see much importance because they are made to be as faceroll as it can be—it’s intentional. But you definitely can spot those ‘oopsies’ & ultimately, feel the difference. It’s somewhat scary how mere 4 players being fairly decent at what they’re doing can easily melt a dungeon run.

[FusionSamurai]

You don’t need numbers to tell if you’re making progress or not. You either are, or are not. If you’re not dying and you’re hitting your proper rotation, odds are your performance is good.

You did it. You actually wrote the most asinine thing I've ever read on this godforsaken dumpsterfire of a forum.

Imagine being so dumb that you think being able to see your numbers is unimportant for advancing as a player.

[Adeacia]

You did it. You actually wrote the most asinine thing I've ever read on this godforsaken dumpsterfire of a forum.

Imagine being so dumb that you think being able to see your numbers is unimportant for advancing as a player.

I don't need to see my numbers to know if I'm getting better. I'm already aware if my rotation could improve, where I messed up my rotation, or where I messed up on the fight that hurt my dps. Get enough experience and that comes naturally.

[Axxion]

well this thread is about to be a coaster very soon

[FusionSamurai]

I don't need to see my numbers to know if I'm getting better.

I'm already aware if my rotation could improve, where I messed up my rotation, or where I messed up on the fight that hurt my dps. Get enough experience and that comes naturally.

Uh....yes, you do. You can understand and recognize when you make large mistakes, but if you want to go into the larger parts of improvement, you absolutely need numbers.

Good luck figuring out if you are doing awful black mage damage without numbers. "ME DO BIG FIRE IV NUMBER ME DO BIG DAMAGE UNGABUNGA", despite actual dps being below ranged physical