The great streamer Asmongold is joining FFXIV

[Conundrum]

Let's not forget that he told his fans to harass people who bought store mounts or cosmetics.

Let's not forget you're exaggerating what he said (he said do the spit emote at them, which can be blocked with /ignore)

Let's also not forget you are obviously posting this on an alt, something to hide?

[PeekayTom]

Let's not forget you're exaggerating what he said (he said do the spit emote at them, which can be blocked with /ignore)

Let's also not forget you are obviously posting this on an alt, something to hide?

Are you daft? Just because something can be blocked doesn't mean it is not harassment. Spitting at someone is very clearly harassment.

[Kolsykol]

In case someone didn't watch and want to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvvUm26pF1M

Are you daft? Just because something can be blocked doesn't mean it is not harassment. Spitting at someone is very clearly harassment.

While I agree that it's shitty behaviour, if I remember correctly it wasn't him that came up with it.
But one of his stream buddies and he came up with it on his stream so now everyone attributes it to him ( altho he has condoned it I think ).

I don't think that doing an emote at someone is harassment in and of itself but doing it systematically like that I think kinda is albeit very mild.
I could kinda see why some would think it's really pushing the definition of it even tho I'd agree that it's just poor behaviour.

[Axxion]

found this on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...m_source=share

i have to agree with this

[PeekayTom]

In case someone didn't watch and want to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvvUm26pF1M



While I agree that it's shitty behaviour, if I remember correctly it wasn't him that came up with it.
But one of his stream buddies and he came up with it on his stream so now everyone attributes it to him ( altho he has condoned it I think ).

If that's the case, then yea, but regardless of who, I hope Conundrum at least understands that what he described is harassment.

I've also seen a few screenshots of posts from Asmon where he directs hatred towards people stating pronouns, which is just gross behavior. So even if this thing wasn't him, he's not exactly scott-free.

[Kolsykol]

If that's the case, then yea, but regardless of who, I hope Conundrum at least understands that what he described is harassment.

I've also seen a few screenshots of posts from Asmon where he directs hatred towards people stating pronouns, which is just gross behavior. So even if this thing wasn't him, he's not exactly scott-free.

Well screenshots can be faked and don't underestimate the amount of people who hate him for no real reason.
It doesn't sound like something he'd do at all, I mean maybe if we're talking about '' Xe, Xem, Ve, Ver, Xyr '' etc I could maybe see it but not just like trans people or '' they '' etc.
I honestly think that the former is sorta ridiculous too and turns it into a bit of a joke.

If you've ever watched one of his more serious videos on his other channel you'll know that he's usually very level-headed and isn't a hateful person at all.
And he does call out his own community for going after people for being women, trans or their appearance etc.
Even with that deer girl on the Twitch council he did this and went to pretty great lengths to make it clear that his criticism had nothing to do with that persona and that people shouldn't mock her.

[PeekayTom]

Well screenshots can be faked and don't underestimate the amount of people who hate him for no real reason.
It doesn't sound like something he'd do at all, I mean maybe if we're talking about '' Xe, Xem, Ve, Ver, Xyr '' etc I could maybe see it but not just like trans people or '' they '' etc.
I honestly think that the former is sorta ridiculous too and turns it into a bit of a joke.

If you've ever watched one of his more serious videos on his other channel you'll know that he's usually very level-headed and isn't a hateful person at all.
And he does call out his own community for going after people for being women, trans or their appearance etc.
Even with that deer girl on the Twitch council he did this and went to pretty great lengths to make it clear that his criticism had nothing to do with that persona and that people shouldn't mock her.

Even if someone uses neo-pronouns, there's no reason to harass someone over any pronouns. It's transphobia, plain and simple. If someone thinks its weird, it's not hurting them, so like, they should do as most people should and keep scrolling.
Edit: On re-reading, I understand what you meant. Rather than seeing a case to mock neopronouns, that instead you believe he might have done that before but hasn't towards more common trans terms. My bad for misunderstanding!

As for the faking of screenshots, I understand, but prominent and caring members of the community have pointed out poor behavior on Asmon's part, which I'm more inclined to believe. Trust me, at least, I'm not just seeing a rando on the internet post whatever and just regurgitating it.

[Kolsykol]

Even if someone uses neo-pronouns, there's no reason to harass someone over any pronouns. It's transphobia, plain and simple. If someone thinks its weird, it's not hurting them, so like, they should do as most people should and keep scrolling.

As for the faking of screenshots, I understand, but prominent and caring members of the community have pointed out poor behavior on Asmon's part, which I'm more inclined to believe. Trust me, at least, I'm not just seeing a rando on the internet post whatever and just regurgitating it.

Did he say '' that's stupid '' or did he actually harass someone?
Because I think there is a difference.
You can argue that it's irresponsible if you want and I'd probably agree that if you have a large following then you should be careful with that but at the same time you can't expect people with tens to hundreds of thousands of eyes on them almost all day every day to not make mistakes.
No one is that flawless, I mean to put things into perspective just recently one of the biggest Socialist Twitch Streamers blurted out the N-word live on Stream.

It's not Transphobia either, I've never seen him misgender someone who's actually Trans and I'd be *extremely* surprised if I saw that.
Tbh I think that even within LGBTQ communities most people probably think that the hundreds of pronouns are dumb, like at some point it becomes incredibly performative.
That doesn't mean that you hate Trans people or don't acknowledge them or things like non-binary people etc.

To be clear I am not saying it's good, I don't mock people for it I kinda just shrug it off.
But at some point I do think that it becomes dumb and I think that most people would agree even if they're part of the LGBTQ community.
And I also think that if he had someone on Stream that had one of those pronouns he would respect it and he'd tell his community to back off, I am pretty confident about that.

[PeekayTom]

Did he say '' that's stupid '' or did he actually harass someone?
Because I think there is a difference.
You can argue that it's irresponsible if you want and I'd probably agree that if you have a large following then you should be careful with that but at the same time you can't expect people with tens to hundreds of thousands of eyes on them almost all day every day to not make mistakes.
No one is that flawless, I mean to put things into perspective just recently one of the biggest Socialist Twitch Streamers blurted out the N-word live on Stream.

It's not Transphobia either, I've never seen him misgender someone who's actually Trans and I'd be *extremely* surprised if I saw that.
Tbh I think that even within LGBTQ communities most people probably think that the hundreds of pronouns are dumb, like at some point it becomes incredibly performative.
That doesn't mean that you hate Trans people or don't acknowledge them or things like non-binary people etc.

To be clear I am not saying it's good, I don't mock people for it I kinda just shrug it off.
But at some point I do think that it becomes dumb and I think that most people would agree even if they're part of the LGBTQ community.

For clarification, I stated "directed harassment", which is a tool that someone with his following can do. He's allowed to have opinions about things, but someone with as large of a following as his saying "people with pronouns in bios are clowns that you should avoid" does nothing but embolden the hateful in his following. The tweet is still up, and was made 3 years ago, so it could be arguable that he has learned and knows better; however, from just a quick search on twitter for the sake of a quick reply, I couldn't find any such tweet as such. People can make mistakes or not know things, but the important thing is to learn and improve, to actually take the steps. I'd also say with the size of a following someone like him has, people like that should very visibly and publically make improvements. Searching "pronouns" from asmon shows no such thing, even if he's had it buried in a stream somewhere.

It's still transphobia, but I believe the term is moreso microagression. As someone in multiple LGBTQ communities, the general consensus is that "people are free to be who they want and fighting with eachother when we have more important things to handle in regards to our status in society achieves nothing". It's like how transphobic tendencies in the Olympics recently led to the ban of some cis women for how their bodies are.

Edit: Yeah, no, I don't think you condone stuff. Apologies if this feels targeted! I'm just trying to do my best to help people get a cool head on their shoulders and understand things from a broader perspective, definitely not here trying to throw accusatory fingers.

[Rae88]

It's still transphobia, but I believe the term is moreso microagression. As someone in multiple LGBTQ communities, the general consensus is that "people are free to be who they want and fighting with eachother when we have more important things to handle in regards to our status in society achieves nothing". It's like how transphobic tendencies in the Olympics recently led to the ban of some cis women for how their bodies are.

Asmon - "If you reread my response to you, I didn't say it was a political statement. Usually I refer to people as they or the gender they're presenting, so I've never really had that problem before (and I haven't had any complaints either)"

https://twitter.com/Malkarii_/status...03486660390912

Asmon is socially awkward as hell from I can tell (I don't regularly watch his streams but I have looked at him recently). He also doesn't intentionally misgender though from what I can tell. Was a mistake by him to make that comment though he probably won't admit it.