The great streamer Asmongold is joining FFXIV

[Puremallace]

For me as a WoW classic player the ARR content is not that sluggish. It is OK, not great but not so boring that i would stop playing it. And that many people stop playing the game before they reach max level this is normal. The reason why Blizzard rewamped the starting experience with Cataclysm was that 40% of players stopped playing before they reached level 10. Level 10 you had done in a couple of hours. And i don't know whether the new level experience in Cataclysm was better for the players or not.


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Every single time you see an FF14 player say ARR sucks just remember we are putting it in a frame of reference to the expansions. So if you like ARR just imagine something better...then better...then legendary.

[Krotoan]

Yeah that's fair, wow quest system was worse lol.

People who said he wasn't gonna get through the ARR patch quest desert don't realize he was tempered in the original WoW release quest grind. He even said so himself ".. yeah and? that's how you used to level for the whole game in WoW. This is gonna be EZ".

[Jadedsins]

I liked ARR better than stormblood to be honest. HW is still number 1. 2. ARR 3. shadow. 4 storm.


ARR world building really is good.

[Awha]

ARR is not so bad, compared to vanilla WoW ARR even pre revamp is nothing.

[Ilenya]

People who said he wasn't gonna get through the ARR patch quest desert don't realize he was tempered in the original WoW release quest grind. He even said so himself ".. yeah and? that's how you used to level for the whole game in WoW. This is gonna be EZ".

Honestly, that moment there was when I knew he'd be fine. My main worry was about the need to grind up DRK to 50 to use it in the story, but with that comment, I figured he'd be good to play as long as his whims allow him.

[Plastics]

In comparison with all other expansions, it is. Not to mention, a big partion of new players have reportly quit during ARR slog.

Having leveled through ARR to Shadowbringers about 7 times now, I will heavily disagree with this. SB is much worse than ARR. The reason people quit during ARR is because they're constantly told how bad it is, and so any negative reinforcement demotivates them and they stop playing. If your goal is to just skip through it and not care about anything, it is a lot of work to get through and you feel like you're wasting your time. It's mostly just a tutorial, but there's a ton of stuff to do and unlock in ARR, and by the time you get to the "pre-HW grind" as people call it, the story has picked up. Slow down, enjoy it, and it's completely fine.

I would happily recommend people skip SB and just watch a MSQ synopsis video, and it's the only part of the game where I think that recommendation is warranted. Specifically the MSQ, not the raid content, which you can do at any time.

[ItMe]

Having leveled through ARR to Shadowbringers about 7 times now, I will heavily disagree with this. SB is much worse than ARR. The reason people quit during ARR is because they're constantly told how bad it is, and so any negative reinforcement demotivates them and they stop playing. If your goal is to just skip through it and not care about anything, it is a lot of work to get through and you feel like you're wasting your time.

Not to mention that ARR is where new players get a feel for if this game is up their alley or not.

[Shougun]

On all of that ARR stuff-

I've said it almost every time I make a comment on it, that my perspective is suuuuper dated, but I do remember some moments in ARR where I was doing it to do it and not because I was like YEAH, TIME TO BOOT UP THE GAME, but there were absolutely moments that I did have that excitement. That said I also make that comment as FFXIV being my favorite for story as an MMORPG, unlike most mmorpgs I tend to stick FFXIV in the "you get to compete against sRPG" categories :3 lol. Some pacing issues, and personally I still kind of wished the first hour or two was a bit more tailored (scripted? like FFXIV I felt let me out in the town so early and I just ran around for hours getting basic quests, my own fault yes, but I always imagine a FFVII, IX, X, etc, like intro or something where stuff just starts slapping right from the start), that said I've heard people who have been helpful and informative about all the changes to ARR and I'm confident it would be a lot smoother if I had came to it with fresh eyes again. From what I've heard it honestly sounds fine now, I think now I'm just mostly worried about people getting excited about 7.0, 8.0, and literally being told you wont be there until about playing Witcher 3 100% 4 times in a row, 4x binge watching friends, harry potter saga 18 times, etc lol. Although right now with WoW having all the issues that it is having FFXIV doesn't really need to worry about it yet, but if an MMO catches the good wind that FFXIV is currently enjoying (well deserved), that might be more important suddenly later and not really right now (like if one of these other new mmos coming out finally gets it right lol).

People who said he wasn't gonna get through the ARR patch quest desert don't realize he was tempered in the original WoW release quest grind. He even said so himself ".. yeah and? that's how you used to level for the whole game in WoW. This is gonna be EZ".

When I heard him say that I was like "lol- well then, he's making it to ShB no prob".

[Jettinson]

Having leveled through ARR to Shadowbringers about 7 times now, I will heavily disagree with this. SB is much worse than ARR. The reason people quit during ARR is because they're constantly told how bad it is, and so any negative reinforcement demotivates them and they stop playing. If your goal is to just skip through it and not care about anything, it is a lot of work to get through and you feel like you're wasting your time. It's mostly just a tutorial, but there's a ton of stuff to do and unlock in ARR, and by the time you get to the "pre-HW grind" as people call it, the story has picked up. Slow down, enjoy it, and it's completely fine.

I would happily recommend people skip SB and just watch a MSQ synopsis video, and it's the only part of the game where I think that recommendation is warranted. Specifically the MSQ, not the raid content, which you can do at any time.

As someone who did ARR blind pre 5.3 without any review or such, it is a different case on how people stop at base game.
There were way too many unnecessary quests piling up, some were nice but it just dragged the whole thing and combat being slow at beginning can do much along with constant back and forward type of quests.
Looking now at 5.3 changes, I am baffled how it took so long to act, it is a lot smoother.

SB is just pacing issue, very slow start, then it picks up and then pacing dies again, I disagree on skipping on the expansion, there are many good things in it between dungeons, trials and more.

And can't see how people are just going to skip a whole expansion if they did ARR, it is not the end of the world, just take your time, do even sidequests to learn more about the world building and that's it.

[Nyarlha]

Speaking of Asmon and ARR, he just released his review of the ARR experience now that he made it to HW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z3JRJ2GnSk