Role quest in Endwalker worry me. Job quest make this an RPG

[Puremallace]

So up until Shadowbringers we had job quest that explained why we exist and the backstory to our characters. It gave details to why certain abilities exist. In Shadowbringers we got role quest and in the context of the story the community gave Square Enix a pass. Now in Endwalker we are getting...you guessed it more role quest.

One mistake I see MMO's make that gut the RPG experience is homogenization. I cannot put into words how much of a mistake it is to abandon job quest in a Final Fantasy. All I can do is beg that this is not the future direction of FF14 where jobs are further homogenized. I get that dev time is limited and you have a lot of pressure on you but going this direction is a mistake.

After Endwalker or during it you are going to need to return to your roots as the complaints about RPG elements being stripped out of the MMO are going to become louder as it begins to feel like a shallow experience. Just because you got away with it in Shadowbringers does not mean this should be the future.

I picked Paladin....not generic Tank Role.

[Rongway]

We don't just have ten jobs anymore. We have nineteen. This fall there'll be twenty-one. The amount of quests that need to be made to give all the jobs their own ten level quest line is about as many quests as there are in one expansion MSQ. I'm okay with them not spending dev time on individual job quest lines.

[Puremallace]

We don't just have ten jobs anymore. We have nineteen. This fall there'll be twenty-one. The amount of quests that need to be made to give all the jobs their own ten level quest line is about as many quests as there are in one expansion MSQ. I'm okay with them not spending dev time on individual job quest lines.

I DO NOT CARE. This is an mmoRPG and I understand this is inconvenient but this MMO is making Square Enix money hand over fist and keeping their entire company afloat to fund Final Fantasy 16 and Final Fantasy Remake Part 2.

I could care less. It is maybe 3 quest at most or maybe 2. I don't care but do not throw out the entire RPG element of this game that keeps me connected to my job. As I told you I am a Paladin not Tank Role.

Imagine if in Heavensward the Dragoon quest was just Physical Melee damage quest and that was it. Apply this to Stormblood. Now all of the Monks, Dragoons and Samurais all get the same quest.

We finally get the Paladin focused expansion and I get told I am only getting some generic tank role quest. It is enraging honestly how lazy it is. The only reason they are getting a pass is because they hit a home run with Shadowbringers and the role quest made sense in relation to the setting and story of Shadowbringers.

[Beddict]

I could care less. It is maybe 3 quest at most or maybe 2. I don't care but do not throw out the entire RPG element of this game that keeps me connected to my job. As I told you I am a Paladin not Tank Role.

It would be five Quests per Job to go from 80 to 90. Now, there are soon to be 19 Combat Jobs, 8 Crafters, and 3 Gatherers. That's a total of 30 Jobs each needing five Quests which is 150 Job Quests. Reaper and Sage also need to get extra Job Quests for 70 to 80 so that's another five each plus the unlock quest for another one each. That brings the total amount up to 164 Job/Class Quests. They already admitted to having problems when it was 15 Jobs and now there even more. The devs aren't lazy, it's that the amount of work isn't sustainable.

Also, throwing money at the problem won't magically solve it. If the current amount of staff already can't handle the amount of Job Quests, then they would need to hire more people. That means they have to go through entire hiring process, get new employees oriented to working at SE, train them on the necessary tools so they can do their job where they won't be able to contribute at max capacity since they're still learning, and make sure they're all set up to work from home because there's kinda still a pandemic going around. It is a massive amount of work, but nah, who cares about the logistics behind massively increasing the developers workload.

[ItMe]

I could care less. It is maybe 3 quest at most or maybe 2.

What would you expect from these job quests? Because that's not enough space to tell anything close to a compelling job storyline. Heck, even with Heavensward and Stormblood giving each job, what, 6 quests each some of those stories were already feeling rather heavily restricted by the small amount of space they had to work with.
I understand wanting to have more job quests, but if we have to whittle them down to nothing what's the point? The role quests at least give them creative space to do something, and after the ShB role quests and their interesting multiple capstone questions shows they're still giving us their all, and not trying to stiff us with a "ho-hum nothing we can do, here have less" attitude.

[Vahlnir]

I DO NOT CARE. This is an mmoRPG and I understand this is inconvenient but this MMO is making Square Enix money hand over fist and keeping their entire company afloat to fund Final Fantasy 16 and Final Fantasy Remake Part 2.

I could care less. It is maybe 3 quest at most or maybe 2. I don't care but do not throw out the entire RPG element of this game that keeps me connected to my job. As I told you I am a Paladin not Tank Role.

Imagine if in Heavensward the Dragoon quest was just Physical Melee damage quest and that was it. Apply this to Stormblood. Now all of the Monks, Dragoons and Samurais all get the same quest.

We finally get the Paladin focused expansion and I get told I am only getting some generic tank role quest. It is enraging honestly how lazy it is. The only reason they are getting a pass is because they hit a home run with Shadowbringers and the role quest made sense in relation to the setting and story of Shadowbringers.

I mean, just because you don't care, doesn't suddenly make individual job quests a non issue on the development side of things. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing them go back to making those, but I completely understand why they opted to develop role quests instead. From a financial and work load perspective, it simply makes sense. Sure, they are making a ton of money, but how much of that money actually goes back into the game? I doubt it's as much as some may think.

[Cortawraith]

I DO NOT CARE

lul, just got up and someone already my day ^^
Anyway, the Rolequests in Shb were okay for me, they told a nice story. Don't know if we'll get those or the classic jobquests for EW but I'd be totally fine with either of those, I might even be inclined to say that those role quests could be the better option since SE could concentrate on creating a few good rolequests instead of watered down jobquests for 21 Jobs.

[MistakeNot]

I DO NOT CARE. This is an mmoRPG and I understand this is inconvenient but this MMO is making Square Enix money hand over fist and keeping their entire company afloat to fund Final Fantasy 16 and Final Fantasy Remake Part 2.

I could care less. It is maybe 3 quest at most or maybe 2. I don't care but do not throw out the entire RPG element of this game that keeps me connected to my job. As I told you I am a Paladin not Tank Role.

Removing job quests does not mean "throw out the entire RPG element of this game" - that is just false hyperbole. The RPG elements of this game do not depend on having class/job specific quests. The vast majority of RPG (computer as well as pen-and-paper) does, after all, not have any class-specific quests, so clearly it is not a core component of RPGs.

[Pintsized]

I could care less

How much more could you care less?

Personally I couldn't care less about your caring .. there, that's the way to say what I presume you meant.

[Rongway]

How much more could you care less?

Personally I couldn't care less about your caring .. there, that's the way to say what I presume you meant.

Grammar correction tip: make sure real grammarians actually support your point before being a grammar snob.

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On topic: I'm working on getting a melee job to 90 now and then I'll be ready to binge all five role quest lines from start to finish and I'm looking forward to it. I don't need twenty different job quest lines this expansion. That would be 80~100 quests, almost as many as there are in EW 6.0 MSQ alone.