Popular WoW content creator Bellular is praising FF14.

[Catwho]

As far as I'm concerned, the best possible outcome from XIV becoming more popular/better/awesomer than WoW to some people is that WoW/Blizzard steps up the game and stops sucking.

I really feel bad for the folks who loved that game and ended up leaving it because it stopped being what they loved. This has nothing to do with them playing XIV or the WoW content creators liking our game - I just believe people should be allowed to enjoy things, and it's sad the content creator of the thing they enjoyed ended up wrecking it instead.

You want to beat your rival when they are at their strongest, not when they've fallen into a shell of their former selves.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I played WoW when 1.0 was in the process of dying and they were literally dancing in the streets of Ogrimmar celebrating FF14 being a dead MMO. Also anyone who said ARR, Heavensward or Stormblood were good were told to go play that weeb trash.

WoW players are not "hardened" unless you mean completely screwed over by developers that seem to hate their own playerbase.

FF14 have been attacked going on 8+ years now for even playing this MMO so it should not come as a shock when they get defensive from people who have never played the MMO. There are also ways to give feedback AS YOU SEE ON THESE FORUMS DAILY that does not require to be rude.

Okay but that’s in the past. Be better than that now. We should be encouraging them to get better. Literally if it wasn’t for WoW, we wouldn’t have a lot of the systems we have in the game today. Yoshi P made his devs play WoW to understand a lot of game fundamentals. Regarding feedback, there are numerous examples of people giving feedback on these forums, and they’re met with responses like, “oh must be a troll, omg, the devs work as hard as they can!” etc etc. It really isn’t an unknown thing that this community doesn’t take criticism well. Also, let not act like 14 players don’t bash on WoW players lol. I see it all the time. By hardened, i mean less sensitive than some of the community here. Who when told how to properly play their job or to aoe in dungeons or to dps as a healer, get defensive and feel like they’re being “harassed.” There is constant fighting and toxicity between both communities, it is in no way just one sided.

[Puremallace]

Okay but that’s in the past. Be better than that now. We should be encouraging them to get better. Literally if it wasn’t for WoW, we wouldn’t have a lot of the systems we have in the game today.

I have seen insane suggestions for FF14 that basically equate to make this more like WoW. One streamer I saw said to get rid of most of the story so people could just get to end game.....get rid of ARR..... stop making loot predictable and add raid drops with RNG stats..... make gear more of the end game

I seriously have no problem with people saying ARR has issues as I have literally made threads about this myself offering solutions. I LITERALLY have a thread that says "please trash the glamour system" and in that thread I argue for straight up copying WoW's transmog system.

I have post on WoW's forums from 2018 listing every single thing that Palace of the Dead gets right and how to take those lessons and apply them to Torghast and obviously Blizzard never listened.

If you are going to criticize then you have to offer a solution. It is a modern business practice that works. "Do not bring me a problem but bring me a solution" is a saying that that companies like Square Enix practices it seems.

Just saying something sucks is going to attract the people who do not think it sucks even if those people are outnumbered 9 to 1 with people that agree with you!

[Shurrikhan]

I have seen insane suggestions for FF14 that basically equate to make this more like WoW.

So "more like WoW" = "insane". No bias at all, I see.

One streamer I saw said to get rid of most of the story so people could just get to end game.....get rid of ARR..... stop making loot predictable and add raid drops with RNG stats..... make gear more of the end game.

• Some XIV streamers who've never touched WoW have likewise suggested that the story skip option, if given, should be more comprehensive.
• ARR was widely seen as problematic even by the veteran community. Hence its changes.
• WoW loot is predictable. WoW raid drops do not have RNG stats.
• The last suggestion is more often made by XI players who enjoyed being able to work towards a given piece of gear and not have it effectively gone with the very next turn of the treadmill. Admittedly, WoW gear can have some greater longevity than ours, but that hardly makes asking that gear progression be more involved/integral a uniquely "WoW" suggestion.

I have post on WoW's forums from 2018 listing every single thing that Palace of the Dead gets right and how to take those lessons and apply them to Torghast and obviously Blizzard never listened.

As in using their endgame content instead, also, as leveling content? For all the references to "XIV is the WoW killer" or threads themed off "Just make Torghast PotD" or "Torghast was ripped off of PotD" (despite roughly dozen of potential sources for choose-your-card powers-accumulating rogue-likes and having already done similar in their own company via Diablo), that's about the only concrete suggestion actually passed around there in regards to PotD -> Torghast.

Also you say I have a FF14 bias when in the post you LITERALLY quoted I said the below

I LITERALLY have a thread that says "please trash the glamour system" and in that thread I argue for straight up copying WoW's transmog system.

You've spent every other post in this thread attempting to wail on the MMO or its players or otherwise draw some manner of bully-and-victim (XIV being the latter) narrative... Given that, a single case of admitting XIV's implementation of a feature was worse than that of a competing MMO does not much raise the chance of your having given said other MMOs their fair shake.

Thus far, you've strongly come off as someone who's seen primarily just what they've intended to see, instead of simply engaging with either experience as its own.

[Puremallace]

As in using their endgame content instead, also, as leveling content? For all the references to "XIV is the WoW killer" or threads themed off "Just make Torghast PotD" or "Torghast was ripped off of PotD" (despite roughly dozen of potential sources for choose-your-card powers-accumulating rogue-likes and having already done similar in their own company via Diablo), that's about the only concrete suggestion actually passed around there in regards to PotD -> Torghast.

Sorry I was way off on my dates. It has been awhile since I bothered to post there. Now what is funny is it seems some of the suggestions Blizzard actually listened to except for the major one that Torghast was heavily gear dependent so it favored dps and also artificially time gated some of the content.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...vements/541458

One of the threads I made below is why I never played Shadowlands especially after they ignored all the feedback and went all in again on borrowed power features. The current delay in 9.1 is caused directly by the amount of balancing required for even minor changes to Covenants and how long that takes to balance raids around, pvp and Mythic plus.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...nts-now/348779

The main reason why a lot of WoW creators are playing FF14 or trying it is because they feel like Blizzard is not listening to them and Blizzard keeps reinventing the wheel.


Also you say I have a FF14 bias when in the post you LITERALLY quoted I said the below

I LITERALLY have a thread that says "please trash the glamour system" and in that thread I argue for straight up copying WoW's transmog system.

[Adeacia]

As far as I'm concerned, the best possible outcome from XIV becoming more popular/better/awesomer than WoW to some people is that WoW/Blizzard steps up the game and stops sucking.

I really feel bad for the folks who loved that game and ended up leaving it because it stopped being what they loved. This has nothing to do with them playing XIV or the WoW content creators liking our game - I just believe people should be allowed to enjoy things, and it's sad the content creator of the thing they enjoyed ended up wrecking it instead.

You want to beat your rival when they are at their strongest, not when they've fallen into a shell of their former selves.

I agree with this. FF14 beating WoW would look a lot better if WoW wasn't trash right now. Doesn't mean much to be better than the competition when said competition is incompetent.

I don't play WoW so I can't say how good or bad the game is as I don't have any experience with it. Though based on comments from people who do play it, it really needs to get better before it dies and I honestly hope it does improve.

[van_arn]

I played WoW when 1.0 was in the process of dying and they were literally dancing in the streets of Ogrimmar celebrating FF14 being a dead MMO. Also anyone who said ARR, Heavensward or Stormblood were good were told to go play that weeb trash.

WoW players are not "hardened" unless you mean completely screwed over by developers that seem to hate their own playerbase.

FF14 have been attacked going on 8+ years now for even playing this MMO so it should not come as a shock when they get defensive from people who have never played the MMO. There are also ways to give feedback AS YOU SEE ON THESE FORUMS DAILY that does not require to be rude.

1.0 deserved to shut down. It was that poorly conceived.

I’ll celebrate its memory only because we got an excellent game out of its catastrophic failure.

[FelixDaCat]

Some people comment about they hope FF14 will become bigger, more popular than WoW. Thing is, I thought FF14 had passed that benchmark some time ago and if you look at the number of searches for each game via Google data FF14 is getting millions more hits happening than WoW?

[KizuyaKatogami]

Some people comment about they hope FF14 will become bigger, more popular than WoW. Thing is, I thought FF14 had passed that benchmark some time ago and if you look at the number of searches for each game via Google data FF14 is getting millions more hits happening than WoW?

I don’t think so. 14 is becoming more popular because of over time awareness, but it seemed to have only really grown when ShB hit. I think WoW. despite its current shortcomings is still the top.Whether or not 6.0 will change that though idk.

[FelixDaCat]

I don’t think so. 14 is becoming more popular because of over time awareness, but it seemed to have only really grown when ShB hit. I think WoW. despite its current shortcomings is still the top.Whether or not 6.0 will change that though idk.

I would have never known about FF14 if it wasn't for the NoClip Documentry done for Stormblood.