Bug Report: Construct 7 mechanic is wrong

[Roeshel]

To be honest, every single explanation of this that I've tried to read only managed to confuse me further. You know, like looking up a definition of a word in the dictionary only to find the definition itself uses 5 more words you don't understand, repeat ad nauseam.

Guess that pretty much explains why I ended up hating math starting from around high school even though prior to that it was my favorite school subject.

All in all, it sure would have helped me out if my teachers had mentioned the whole "number greater than 1" clause when defining a prime number, rather than only stating "number divisible by itself and 1" which I think is how a lot of quick&dirty/introductory explanations of prime numbers go, and is what leaves people to think 1 is a prime. There probably have been many people in this very game who got screwed by this mechanic because they legitimately thought 1 was a prime due to being given an incomplete (or just old, apparently) definition of primes.

"A prime number is divisible by itself and 1" is the simplified version of "A prime number is a whole number with exactly two integral divisors". 1 doesn't have two integral divisors so it can't be a prime number.
Kids at schools are given simplified information because few want to actually learn anything, those who want to learn more usually ask questions and nothing prevents them from acquiring further information which brings clarification.

You can't really blame your teachers for not understanding if they gave you the simplified definition, I asked questions when I wasn't understanding something even if it sounded idiotic to my classmates who always got lower marks than me.

[Gula]

Considering their post count is 69 I highly doubt they'll ever post again. Shame, I thought I could laugh at someone today, but it turned out it was just cringe.

[Sotaris]

You mean you got it for saying winter is in November?

Yep. In November we usually already have snow on ground and cold temperatures.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I wonder when winter is in Ridorana..

A week from now. Unfortunately, due to the time bubble, it will always be a week from now.

[wereotter]

Yep. In November we usually already have snow on ground and cold temperatures.

This was something brought up in the other thread. Where I grew up you could get snow on the ground as early in the year as late August, but the thing is that doesn't mean it's "technically" winter. Like I wouldn't see something was coming out "Winter of 2021" and think it would be released in August. Sure the seasons are funky based on what latitude you live in (and it doesn't help that the dates were based around the weather in Italy) but there's a generally accepted consensus as to what date each season starts with winter not technically starting until December 22 despite most areas of the world who get snow having already had it for weeks by that point.

So I get the perception from environment that you could look out your door and see there's snow and it's cold outside, must be winter. But when you look at global announcements, that same time of year in another part of the globe might still just be cool weather with no snow like you'd get in autumn. Heck even Square conceded this with the announcement that they realize that some people would percieve this as winter as opposed to fall because of local weather patterns.

[lezard21]

This is a good troll thread. I missed these.

[Fynlar]

1 isn't a prime number because its not considered to be a number at all. its considered to be "The Quantifier" or "The unit" around which all numbers or "integers" are based.

Yeah... no math class I had in grade school ever tried to teach us that 1 wasn't a number. (And if anything, 0 was what got treated as a outlier or "base"; kind of like the point that separated positive and negative numbers because 0 itself technically wasn't positive or negative. Anyone remember those number lines...?)

Granted, like I said I never was in any particular advanced college-level math class, so that could be why.

"A prime number is divisible by itself and 1" is the simplified version of "A prime number is a whole number with exactly two integral divisors". 1 doesn't have two integral divisors so it can't be a prime number.

Kids at schools are given simplified information because few want to actually learn anything, those who want to learn more usually ask questions and nothing prevents them from acquiring further information which brings clarification.

You can't really blame your teachers for not understanding if they gave you the simplified definition, I asked questions when I wasn't understanding something even if it sounded idiotic to my classmates who always got lower marks than me.

To me, those are two entirely different statements. "A prime number is divisible by itself and 1" would indicate that literally every number is a prime number. The latter statement would not.

To me, I saw the number 1, saw that it is potentially divisible by itself (1) and 1 (and no other numbers), and thus concluded that it should be a prime number based on the whole "only divisible by itself and 1" thing that I was consistently taught in my math classes. I didn't "not understand" anything, therefore I had no questions to ask. I never had any reason to question that knowledge until many years later, in FF12 playing a low level challenge, when I learned that being level 1 actually protected you from being hit by Zalera's Prime Level Death (indicating that 1 actually was NOT a prime number).

I (and the rest of my classes) was fed information that misled and didn't paint the whole picture, simple as that. So yes, I will blame my instructors for this one. Your attempted "well, the kids don't care about this stuff anyway, so why should I bother trying to teach them effectively" defense doesn't fly with me, sorry.

If a "simplified" definition leads to misunderstandings like mine, maybe it shouldn't be used in an educational setting.

[Sotaris]

This was something brought up in the other thread. Where I grew up you could get snow on the ground as early in the year as late August, but the thing is that doesn't mean it's "technically" winter. Like I wouldn't see something was coming out "Winter of 2021" and think it would be released in August. Sure the seasons are funky based on what latitude you live in (and it doesn't help that the dates were based around the weather in Italy) but there's a generally accepted consensus as to what date each season starts with winter not technically starting until December 22 despite most areas of the world who get snow having already had it for weeks by that point.

So I get the perception from environment that you could look out your door and see there's snow and it's cold outside, must be winter. But when you look at global announcements, that same time of year in another part of the globe might still just be cool weather with no snow like you'd get in autumn. Heck even Square conceded this with the announcement that they realize that some people would percieve this as winter as opposed to fall because of local weather patterns.

Yeah I get that, when I was commenting in that thread I was talking from my experience. I don't think of November being fall when I wake up for like 5-15cm of snow. But it's impossible for SE market team to comply to all local "seasons". And the technical definition if you google it it starts around xmas, though Sweden think differently (see post from Ceridwenae)

You brought up an example late august, there been years where we had snow in midsummer week (though many years ago now, 5-10 years now), which is in uhh 2-3 weeks from this post i believe.

[Fynlar]

Why the hell are we talking about when seasons are in Sweden or Italy or whatever? Who cares?

This is a Japanese game, made by a Japanese company. If they make a global announcement regarding a seasonal release, it should be automatically assumed that they're talking about seasons in Japan, unless otherwise stated.

Do you think the Australians saw the "fall" announcement and then were saying "hurr durr, but fall is already almost over this year, durr"?

[Venandi]

Why the hell are we talking about when seasons are in Sweden or Italy or whatever? Who cares?

This is a Japanese game, made by a Japanese company. If they make a global announcement regarding a seasonal release, it should be automatically assumed that they're talking about seasons in Japan, unless otherwise stated.

Do you think the Australians saw the "fall" announcement and then were saying "hurr durr, but fall is already almost over this year, durr"?

Ignore them. The trolls in this forum are bringing up November and fall in every thread I make to divert the topic for no reason.