What did you like more in Final Fantasy XI Online oder Final Fantasy XIV (vanilla)?

[StormyFae]

That may have been an issue in FFXI online alone (because of spell levels). And except that you could even heal opponents if you casted an ice spell on shiva for example.

In Vanilla FFXIV this actually wasnt the case and it was, like in all offline Final Fantasys, the best to cast the element which the opponent was weak against.
And still i think elemental wheels of FF add an extra layer to the strategic combat. A good player knows which of the hundreds or thousands of enemies are weak against which elements.
Rather than just spamming your skill rotation that being about it.

I mean for what do we need elements then anyways? Its just a design thing then.

Could only heal targets if you were stupid so that wasnt a proplem
In fact that was a good thing, that it punished stupidity..

If you go fight ice things and you use ice on them, you deserved the death and lose of exp

as for your choice thing.



My smn/blu would disagree from lomg time ago

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You arent a FF player that is used to play ATB based are you? But nice "whataboutism" btw. seems like ;D
With Trust NPC nowdays it actually is no problem i guess. It plays more like a turn based FF game rather than a WoW copy. But yes, it is very old.. about 18 years now at the early days / first steps of MMORPGs.

So you wonder it doesnt have the most modern leveling system? its a retro MMORPG practically.




Actually i talked about the sky box. the stars wallpaper at night is a good example how extremely terrible, unrealistic, artificial und unbelievable the weather system is in FFXIV ARR.
The thing is, whereass FFXIV vanilla was more believable and realistic. The static stars wallpaper at night looks like an unrealistic painting in FFXIV ARR which is pretty awful. Same for the clouds.

The sound combination in vanilla was also much more far superior to ARR, which is a extreme downgrade - you could always hear the slight sound of wind etc.:
Thanalan Region FFXIV 1.0.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPLQceU-RBo
(and watch even the ground textures btw.)
Thunder on the sea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nSWar1YSxU
Sandstrom Thanalan 1.0.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STToZ4InTZc

ARR - which looks more like a painting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBVffQo1iA

1.0. (look at the ground textures / stones btw.)

ARR


Didnt find a picture of Uldah ARR with clouds .. but that really wouldnt make it any better.
FFXIV 1.0. also had about 2 layers of clouds which ARR doesnt have at all.

Actually, yes, I was used to the atb. Had been playing older rpgs for years by the time I started XI, which was around wings I believe. My first final fantasy game was tactics.

Doesn't change the fact that xis leveling was terrible.

I was talking about XI then, not XI now. This is something like 10 years ago maybe?

[Tonkra]

Actually, yes, I was used to the atb. Had been playing older rpgs for years by the time I started XI, which was around wings I believe.

Doesn't change the fact that xis leveling was terrible.

I was talking about XI then, not XI now. This is something like 10 years ago maybe?

And also as a side note: i didnt put "leveling system" as a point into my list what i enjoyed more in FFXI and vanilla FFXIV. Thats what you came up with because you obviously are a die hard FFXIV only fan who gets pissed if someone mentions positive things that were (each to his own opinion) maybe better in FFXI / vanilla FFXIV. Which means i may thing that FFXIV ARR + does have a better leveling system now? I know the "fatigue system" of vanilla FFXIV, and it was awful. And as i said, FFXI is pretty outdated, its a retro MMORPG practically. Its 18 years old.

Could only heal targets if you were stupid so that wasnt a proplem
In fact that was a good thing, that it punished stupidity..

If you go fight ice things and you use ice on them, you deserved the death and lose of exp

as for your choice thing.



My smn/blu would disagree from lomg time ago

well its not just about the extreme examples. Earth wouldnt be as efficient against a water crab, too.
And as i said. it also adds an other level to how you prepare for a boss fight as well (e.g. +resistance in fire on your equipment)

There are a lot of guides how you should prepare for a prime avatar solo battle (against Shiva etc.) in FFXI, which includes the right equipment and even items such as Yagudo drink or boiled crabs.
In FFXIV i couldnt imagin this for the solo job battles on the same level. Its more about enemy patterns and avoiding marked areas on the ground rather than strategic preparation and battle as if you would expect in an offline FF as well.

I mean all offline FF's use an elemental wheel practically.

[StormyFae]

And also as a side note: i didnt put "leveling system" as a point into my list what i enjoyed more in FFXI and vanilla FFXIV. Thats what you came up with because you obviously are a die hard FFXIV only fan who gets pissed if someone mentions positive things that were (each to his own opinion) maybe better in FFXI / vanilla FFXIV. Which means i may thing that FFXIV does that better now? And as i said, FFXI is pretty outdated, its a retro MMORPG practically. Its 18 years old.




well its not just about the extreme examples. Earth wouldnt be as efficient against a water crab, too.
And as i said. it also adds an other level to how you prepare for a boss fight as well (e.g. +resistance in fire on your equipment)

There are a lot of guides how you should prepare for a prime avatar solo battle (against Shiva etc.) in FFXI, which includes the right equipment and even items such as Yagudo drink or boiled crabs.
In FFXIV i couldnt imagin this for the solo job battles on the same level. Its more about enemy patterns and avoiding marked areas on the ground rather than strategic preparation and battle as if you would expect in an offline FF as well.

I mean all offline FF's use an elemental wheel practically.

Which is y xi is far superior to xiv it took brain power, preperation and honestly effort plus if your an caster you shoukd have multi elements if not all, so failing it kinda showed how little somone cared to

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

And yet, many of xis systems existed because of how it was designed from every standpoint. Things had lasting power because the leveling sucked.

You cant take one system without the other.

As for textures, the reason behind that everyone knows. 1.0 was a beast to run for most people. Hence when they scaled everything down.

Do I miss 1.0s texture quality? Sure. Don't miss the rest of it tho.

And I don't hate any time people bring up XI, I hate when people bring it up as a way to put XIV down.

Which is really the only way it's ever brought up.

[Lanadra]

Ah yes, one of those threads that makes me wonder 'all these people hate the game so much.. why on earth are they even here then..?'. Like.. FFXI I believe is still around, go play it? I mean, if it's so much better wouldn't that make the most sense?

[StormyFae]

Ah yes, one of those threads that makes me wonder 'all these people hate the game so much.. why on earth are they even here then..?'. Like.. FFXI I believe is still around, go play it? I mean, if it's so much better wouldn't that make the most sense?

A graphics are out dated
(And yes it means alot to be in 2021 playing ps2 graphic lvl lol)
B. Customization goes a long way

C. System the game is on.. Xi isnt even on ps after ps2 lol..
D. Pc gaming is pure trash .. Which is why c matters..
E. Luv how that excuse exist when yoshi is scared of xi getting updated and remastered cuz the real ff would destory how he ruined all ff jobs
If they update graphics, give it xiv lvl of
customization on char and reput on ps4/ps5 then that may mean something

[Tonkra]

And yet, many of xis systems existed because of how it was designed from every standpoint.

You should pretty come out of your very offensive defense force zone.

Final Fantasy XI was also designed with being a full Final Fantasy title in mind as well, which you shouldnt forget. Which includes the elemental wheel, every monster on the world map that counts and can be a threat to the player etc.

If you think FFXIV is a flawless Final Fantasy experience then i can tell you from my expectations of being a FF it isnt. It misses lots of core features which makes it a FF to me.

Ah yes, one of those threads that makes me wonder 'all these people hate the game so much.. why on earth are they even here then..?'. Like.. FFXI I believe is still around, go play it? I mean, if it's so much better wouldn't that make the most sense?

Believe it or not, i play both. (though FFXI is really outdated and a retro experience)

Secondly, believe it or not, it is not automatically hate if you speak out things that you think vanilla and FFXI did better? (a lot of thinks ARR makes better) woop*

[Dzian]

Ah yes, one of those threads that makes me wonder 'all these people hate the game so much.. why on earth are they even here then..?'. Like.. FFXI I believe is still around, go play it? I mean, if it's so much better wouldn't that make the most sense?

FFXIV is like a cheap restaurant. The place isn’t exactly great, the food is barely edible, and the service is somewhat lacking.

BUTTT

If you’re there with a group of solid friends you can still have a great time...

I tend to think you can see this with new players. The ones that make friends and connections often stay around a lot longer than the ones who don’t.

[Artemiz]

FFXI is far more complex than FFXIV and for that game it works, FFXIV went down a different road so it is what it is. The great thing is FFXI is still online and active, anyone who really wants to try it can easily just do so.