Thread: Summoner 6.0 Rework (my reimagining)

Going to post this here. Had an idea while doing a lvl 50 alliance raid. By no means am I a developer of games so bare with me. Tried to rework SMN while still keeping some of what we already have.

First the Ruin and DoT aspects.

1. Ruin spells would change. Ruin would grant you Ruin II. Ruin II would have a 50% chance to turn Ruin into Ruin III, and Ruin III would grant Ruin IV.
2. Bio and Miasma would work the same. I think when you get Bio II they should also upgrade Miasma into Miasma II.
3. Keep Bane how it is.
4. Make Fester and Painflare share a CD, maybe learned at the same time, and be on a 30s or 60s CD, but no longer need Aetherflow stacks. Maybe keep the 2 charge system.
5. Outburst can be kept.
6. Make Tri-Disaster work like BRDs Iron Jaws where it just resets both your DoTs and is on the GCD instead of having it's own CD.
7. Energy Drain / Siphon removed.

Now the Summons

1 Egi Assault I and II removed. Enkindle, Enkindle Bahamut, and Enkindle Pheonix removed.
2. Summon I now only summons Carbuncle for an oGCD attack.
3. Summon II now only summons Ifrit, which now works like MCH's Queen pet for single target damage. It does it's own rotation, and at the end does a big attack that now grants Aetherflow. It has a CD that is shared with Summon IV.
4. Summon III now only summons Titan for an oGCD attack.
5. Summon IV now only summons Garuda, which now works like MCH's Queen pet for AoE damage. It does it's own rotation, and at the end does a big attack that now grants Aetherflow. It has a CD that is shared with Summon II.
6. Dreadwyrm Trance merged with Summon Bahamut to become Bahamut Trance which takes 2 Aetherflow charges. Bahamut does his own rotation and ends with a big attack. While summoned your Ruin and Outburst spells change to new spells. At the end Dreadwyrm Trance becomes Pheonix Trance
7. Pheonix Trance would work just like Bahamut Trance. It now takes 2 Aetherflow charges and Pheonix does it's own rotation ending with a big attack. Would still change your Ruin and Outburst spells to new spells. At the end it becomes Bahamut Trance again.

I think this would allow for the Devs to Upgrade the summons into new summons, or add more Demi summons since they would work basically the same and just be new and flashy.

Originally Posted by ItMe

No, I think we have the same stance here.
/fistbump?

Sure. /Fistbump.

Unrelated:

Honestly, my completely unreasonable answer to the Egi problem is to integrate it further into the Summoner's kit and system.

Take their "Egis cannot be hurt, and functionally don't exist on the map" thing a step further and eliminate them entirely as their own entity. Add them to the Summoner's skeleton and animations, hovering over our shoulder (Or down by our heel, for Carbuncle) while we do things. When we use an Egi assault, they do their animation as part of the Summoner's animation, with Ifrit and Titan dashing out and retreating back to our shoulder as part of the attack animation (or just teleporting, since that would limit animation lock.)

Their autos can become our autos (Though this would require either giving Titan and Ifrit range, or the Summoner entering melee range to get the most out of them, so I can see the problem here) or whatever to make up for the loss of DPS that would otherwise occur.

I say it is unreasonable because fusing the animations together like this would be like making animations for a whole new class (I think, I'm not an animator), so it's a bit much to expect from them.

Edit: I'd also be interested in seeing them replace the job actions with more Egi actions, so the egi is even more significant to our combat style, even if it's just a cosmetic change, but I'm probably being greedy.

Originally Posted by ChazNatlo

Take their "Egis cannot be hurt, and functionally don't exist on the map" thing a step further and eliminate them entirely as their own entity. Add them to the Summoner's skeleton and animations, hovering over our shoulder (Or down by our heel, for Carbuncle) while we do things. When we use an Egi assault, they do their animation as part of the Summoner's animation, with Ifrit and Titan dashing out and retreating back to our shoulder as part of the attack animation (or just teleporting, since that would limit animation lock.)


I say it is unreasonable because fusing the animations together like this would be like making animations for a whole new class (I think, I'm not an animator), so it's a bit much to expect from them.

u guys didnt noticed one BIG THING:

thats HOW REAPER IS GOING TO WORK






hell look at this , SE can combine both player and "pet" as one animation






im fairly sure SE can create spells that instead of being a big explosion (see fire IV ) u see ifrit casting a nuke on the enemy then dissapear


but thats what SE or players want for SMN?

that pets are now invisibly entities for the mobs is something that still feels wrong to me after all this time.

Originally Posted by Warlyx

but thats what SE or players want for SMN?

that pets are now invisibly entities for the mobs is something that still feels wrong to me after all this time.

Personally, making pets even less like pets to be more responsive would be at best a lesser evil.

Right now we have the worst of both worlds, though: our pets are barely pets and they're just about as unresponsive as before.

While there are doubtless some hard limits there, it doesn't seem like we even hit that wall before choosing to gut ACN/SMN pets.

Personally, if we're going to get the Reaper treatment, there at least needs to be some illusion of the egi as a separate and persistent entity, even if one phasing in and out of full manifestation. Heck, it could even be a globe of light most of the time, so long as it isn't clearly fixed to our character's facing and positioning or (by whatever reason) feel like it's just an attachment to our character model. Heck, just imagine how bad that's going to look on these Reaper animations if one turns their character, mid-animation, unless we finally get dynamic animations on the Voidsent itself (such that it continues to face the enemy from our position, rather than merely matching our character facing).

(Of course, dynamic animations like that would be a huge boon regardless; just imagine if Heavy Shot, for instance, finally aimed at its target instead of just wherever the Archer/Bard is facing to then fire at whatever angle out of the bow.)