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    Do people in this game not comprehend the concept of shield healers?

    I've been playing this game for a very long time, and in this very long time, I can probably count on one hand the number of shield healers I've come across and who were actually doing their job properly. At least 99% of shield healers treat it like normal healing, casting their shielding spells after the attack hits, which is pretty pointless. I'm really confused. Does the game not explain anything about how shields work? When I play WHM and get paired with a SCH or Noct AST (RIP in 6.0), I die a little inside each time I see those pointless shields thrown around. Now with Sage on the way, I really hope people will finally grasp the concept of how shield healing is supposed to work (though I highly doubt it).
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    Well, when most healers don't know how to heal in the first place, expecting good shield usage is hopeful
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    Last edited by ZedxKayn; 05-29-2021 at 05:16 AM. Reason: misread stuff, fixd
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZedxKayn View Post
    Well, when most healers don't know how to heal in the first place, expecting good shield usage is hopeful
    Not only do most healers not know how to heal, they don't know how to DPS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Not only do most healers not know how to heal, they don't know how to DPS!

    Damage is the best form of healing :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZedxKayn View Post
    Damage is the best form of healing :P
    Can't get hurt if the enemy is already dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eien713 View Post
    I've been playing this game for a very long time, and in this very long time, I can probably count on one hand the number of shield healers I've come across and who were actually doing their job properly. At least 99% of shield healers treat it like normal healing, casting their shielding spells after the attack hits, which is pretty pointless. I'm really confused. Does the game not explain anything about how shields work?*snip*
    I totally get where you are coming from, Eien713. I played a Holy spec/ Discipline off spec healer in WoW. When I dove into playing a Scholar this expansion, I expected it to be the same. I pre-shielded every encounter, kept up regens, etc...

    Then, I found out this is the wrong way to play a Scholar. Quite simply, Scholars are discouraged from using their primary shield spells, Adloquium and Succor.

    It's all about being a green dps with a 24 step opener! I wish I was kidding. It's a pretty messed up situation.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...de_to_scholar/

    I blame Square Enix for this issue. Unless they are willing to provide content which promotes a proactive healer to be a proactive healer then you will continue to see Scholars and Noct Astrologians not using their shielding abilities proactively.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZedxKayn View Post
    Well, when most healers don't know how to heal in the first place, expecting good shield usage is hopeful
    Aaaand there's the swipe at healers.

    As if every other role was played perfectly.
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    Last edited by Kacho_Nacho; 05-31-2021 at 01:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    Aaaand there's the swipe at healers.

    As if every other role was played perfectly.
    Well, this is a thread about healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    I blame Square Enix for this issue. Unless they are willing to provide content which promotes a proactive healer to be a proactive healer then you will continue to see Scholars and Noct Astrologians not using their shielding abilities proactively.
    Unless every TB will one shot the tank even with tank mitigation and every raidwide AOE will one shot non-tanks without shield then I can't see how they make contents that require more proactive shielding than they currently are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fland View Post
    Unless every TB will one shot the tank even with tank mitigation and every raidwide AOE will one shot non-tanks without shield then I can't see how they make contents that require more proactive shielding than they currently are.
    Whether or not they can do this in the future will depend on which contents force matching 1 regen healer with 1 shield healer. Any content that allows matching two regen healers obviously cannot compel preshielding on tank busters and raid busters.

    Currently, only Savage raids in Raid Finder force all three DD types in matching. Savage raids in Duty Finder and Extreme trials don't care about the DD types and will put four of the same DD together if that's who's available in the queue. It's quite likely they will go the same route with healers, forcing regen + shield in Savage Raid Finder but matching any available healer pair in Duty Finder. In that case, nothing would change from what we have now. Savage would have hard hitting tank busters and raid busters, and story mode won't care whether you precast shields, postcast shields, or don't shield at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    Aaaand there's the swipe at healers.

    As if every other role was played perfectly.
    I get the distinct feeling that many in this forum just could not function without the necessity of always lamenting the incompetence of FFXIV community compared to their own.
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