Endwalker Exploration Zones

[Raskbuck]

without us losing the beauty of vast open world zones.

Have you seen Bozja? It's brown. Just brown all around.

[TheVigilant]

Have you seen Bozja? It's brown. Just brown all around.

I have also seen all the zones of ARR, Heavensward, Stormblood and I looked at all of Shadowbringers before looking at just Bozja.
What I meant is there is a beauty to the open world being vast in an MMORPG, especially if there is something to explore it for.

[Raskbuck]

I have also seen all the zones of ARR, Heavensward, Stormblood and I looked at all of Shadowbringers before looking at just Bozja.
What I meant is there is a beauty to the open world being vast in an MMORPG, especially if there is something to explore it for.

Just to clarify, OP is talking about the Field Operations maps (aka Eureka and Bozja), and not the rest of the zones.

It's also a warzone. When's the last time you saw a warzone that was anything but brown?

I was replying to their statement of "beauty of vast open world zones." I never implied warzones were supposed to be pretty.

[Jojoya]

3: Don't make lost actions required for winning or even just doing things in a reasonable amount of time, or surviving certain engagements. Consider them as just a bonus that makes things better if you have them or...

If the content were balanced around not having Lost Actions, then that would unbalance the content even more when some have them and some don't. It would be a repeat of "I missed out because it was dead before I could get there ".

Either the content needs to be balanced around the existence of Lost Actions, or Lost Actions would need to be removed altogether. Remove the Lost Actions, and you remove what makes the content more interesting than normal FATEs to many players.

Or they can take borrowed power and shove it....

I'm just salty. I hate borrowed power. Blizzard's been doing it since Legion and it's nothing but an unmitigated disaster. Abilities and stuff that only work for one expansion. It's garbage.

The Lost Action system isn't a borrowed power system, though. Lost Actions are consumable buffs. They'll still be available for you to use in Bozja/Zadnor next expansion if you go back to level up new jobs or farm relics you don't obtain this expansion.

But I do agree that borrowed power systems like those in WoW are terrible. No point in putting in all that effort if the reward is going to be permanently taken away from you at expansion's end.

[Burningskull]

If the content were balanced around not having Lost Actions, then that would unbalance the content even more when some have them and some don't. It would be a repeat of "I missed out because it was dead before I could get there ".

Either the content needs to be balanced around the existence of Lost Actions, or Lost Actions would need to be removed altogether. Remove the Lost Actions, and you remove what makes the content more interesting than normal FATEs to many players.


The Lost Action system isn't a borrowed power system, though. Lost Actions are consumable buffs. They'll still be available for you to use in Bozja/Zadnor next expansion if you go back to level up new jobs or farm relics you don't obtain this expansion.

But I do agree that borrowed power systems like those in WoW are terrible. No point in putting in all that effort if the reward is going to be permanently taken away from you at expansion's end.

Which is exactly why I think Lost Actions should be a one and done thing. Once you have it you have it forever. No need to go and farm more of them that people are either unwilling, myself included, or unable, don't have the time for, to go out and do nothing but farm items that may or may not give the Lost Action they need. How many people farming DR for relics say they ran out of Essences long ago. They have no reason or desire to go back to Southern Front or Zadnor to try and get more of these essences that "may" drop from w/e drops them that then "may" contain the item they need. RNG is fine in some things but layers upon layers of it is just maddening.

And yes I get this is content meant to last for the next 6 months. But the devs should know by now people are not going to go farm hours to get Essences just to farm other content. They are just going to farm that content and have it take longer for everyone. (I include my self in this.) Essences are just one example btw.

[Seraphor]

Which is exactly why I think Lost Actions should be a one and done thing. Once you have it you have it forever. No need to go and farm more of them that people are either unwilling, myself included, or unable, don't have the time for, to go out and do nothing but farm items that may or may not give the Lost Action they need. How many people farming DR for relics say they ran out of Essences long ago. They have no reason or desire to go back to Southern Front or Zadnor to try and get more of these essences that "may" drop from w/e drops them that then "may" contain the item they need. RNG is fine in some things but layers upon layers of it is just maddening.

And yes I get this is content meant to last for the next 6 months. But the devs should know by now people are not going to go farm hours to get Essences just to farm other content. They are just going to farm that content and have it take longer for everyone. (I include my self in this.) Essences are just one example btw.

If you're farming DR for relics, then you're also doing the weekly Castrum/Delriada quests.
You get plenty of essences from just doing Castrum once a week plus whatever you grind out while you're waiting for Castrum to spawn.
You're also grinding mettle to gain valor stacks, in doing so, you may as well be gaining fragments while you're at it.

[Burningskull]

If you're farming DR for relics, then you're also doing the weekly Castrum/Delriada quests.
You get plenty of essences from just doing Castrum once a week plus whatever you grind out while you're waiting for Castrum to spawn.
You're also grinding mettle to gain valor stacks, in doing so, you may as well be gaining fragments while you're at it.

I'm afraid you are wrong. I'm not doing the once a week quests. I spam DR and that's it.

[Ultimatecalibur]

1: Don't make the area so large that by the time you get to a fate in just one zone of the map the fate is 80-90% dead and players are unable to get credit for it.

This is actually due to how low the Zandor Skirmishes scale to. Zandor's minimum participant scaling of 1 leads to very soft targets that don't really allow many players to hit targets and there might be a very long time between spawns of certain CE Skimishes.

2: If you are going to do buffs post level cap again maybe make it so they only apply to the instanced content like Castrum Lacis Latore, Dalriada, and Delubrum Regane. This would also help fates not die so fast.

Skirmishes were melting too fast even before people were getting the permanent buffs.

3: Don't make lost actions required for winning or even just doing things in a reasonable amount of time, or surviving certain engagements. Consider them as just a bonus that makes things better if you have them or...

Either than or make the Lost Action multiuse with Lost Item versions readily available. Having Relect as a multiuse spell that takes up an action slot and a Light Curtain item that you can have multiple in inventory for when you need

4: Make Lost Actions, or whatever you call them next time, a one and done thing. Meaning once you have that skill or item you never have to go find it again once you have used it up. Just make them have cool downs, or be a once per zone thing or a until you die thing.

Then no one will farm actions once they have gotten their reusable action.

Which is exactly why I think Lost Actions should be a one and done thing. Once you have it you have it forever. No need to go and farm more of them that people are either unwilling, myself included, or unable, don't have the time for, to go out and do nothing but farm items that may or may not give the Lost Action they need. How many people farming DR for relics say they ran out of Essences long ago. They have no reason or desire to go back to Southern Front or Zadnor to try and get more of these essences that "may" drop from w/e drops them that then "may" contain the item they need. RNG is fine in some things but layers upon layers of it is just maddening.

That is more on how the various Fragments were distributed. Only Skill and Awakening fragments which contained Essences were available to be easily farmed. The Superstition Fragments with the more desirable Beast/Bloodsucker/Templar Essences should have been available from mobs in Z3 and Zandor should have dropped some Essence Fragments instead of a bunch of limited use fragments. Essence Fragments being purchasable with clusters or Bozja coins would also help.

[DamianFatale]

Which is exactly why I think Lost Actions should be a one and done thing. Once you have it you have it forever. No need to go and farm more of them that people are either unwilling, myself included, or unable, don't have the time for, to go out and do nothing but farm items that may or may not give the Lost Action they need. How many people farming DR for relics say they ran out of Essences long ago. They have no reason or desire to go back to Southern Front or Zadnor to try and get more of these essences that "may" drop from w/e drops them that then "may" contain the item they need. RNG is fine in some things but layers upon layers of it is just maddening.

And yes I get this is content meant to last for the next 6 months. But the devs should know by now people are not going to go farm hours to get Essences just to farm other content. They are just going to farm that content and have it take longer for everyone. (I include my self in this.) Essences are just one example btw.

A one and done action with a cool down would be lovely. I would find it much more useful, and way less cheesable than these fates are.

[RyuDragnier]

Have you seen Bozja? It's brown. Just brown all around.

It's also a warzone. When's the last time you saw a warzone that was anything but brown?