You are trolling if you are not using essences and actions in Delubrum

[Caitlinzulu]

I would love to see this fictional 15 minute delubrum run, would be amazing to witness. :P

[Drakonic]

I would love to see this fictional 15 minute delubrum run, would be amazing to witness. :P

Occasionally you'll see a Delubrum farm run on PF where like-minded individuals bring good essences and actions. You have a clear in 15-20 minutes.

[ForteNightshade]

I would love to see this fictional 15 minute delubrum run, would be amazing to witness. :P

I've been apart of one, actually. Most DPS were running Deep essences, almost every healer had Profane or Aetherweaver and several tanks took Irregular. We blew the bosses away so fast we literally phased them. Ravana clone died in under three minutes, the Pickle mini boss after dropped in 45 seconds, Hot and Cold chick was under 15% was she started Ladders and Queen jumped ahead to her Edict script because she was nearly dead.

All this was before 5.55 by the way. So with the new Valor buffs, we'd likely push that run to under 10 minutes. People seriously underestimate how utterly absurd your damage output can be. For reference sake, our top three DPS were all over 35k. And out of 24 people, only two weren't above 10k.

Now I would never expect this in a random DF group. This party was advertised in PF specifically to trash bosses. With that said though, I do think Essences should have been made mandatory for queuing simply because the bosses are scaled with the belief you'll have them. Part of the fault, however, lies on the devs for not better incentivizing them. Far too few fragments drop from DR itself. They also missed a perfect opportunity to stuff low grade Essences in lockboxes instead of yet more useless prisms. The problem is many players simply don't like Bozja and are only partaking in it for their relic. They aren't going to spend gil or farm clusters because they don't care about the content to begin with. The dev team needs to stop assuming people will go out of their way without a big incentive or being outright forced.

Nevertheless, you are 100% leeching off other players if you queue into DR without an Essence. Defend it however you like but the DPS difference is staggering—enough it'd be the equivalent of you going into Tower at Paradigm's Breach and freestyling your rotation. A tank using a baby Materialist will handily out-damage a naked Samurai. If you're okay with that, to each their own, I suppose. Just don't complain the next time you queue into a roulette and someone's AFKing, not AoEing, not DPSing as a healer. You're essentially that person in DR.

[Drakonic]

I've been apart of one, actually. Most DPS were running Deep essences, almost every healer had Profane or Aetherweaver and several tanks took Irregular. We blew the bosses away so fast we literally phased them. Ravana clone died in under three minutes, the Pickle mini boss after dropped in 45 seconds, Hot and Cold chick was under 15% was she started Ladders and Queen jumped ahead to her Edict script because she was nearly dead.

All this was before 5.55 by the way. So with the new Valor buffs, we'd likely push that run to under 10 minutes. People seriously underestimate how utterly absurd your damage output can be. For reference sake, our top three DPS were all over 35k. And out of 24 people, only two weren't above 10k.

Now I would never expect this in a random DF group. This party was advertised in PF specifically to trash bosses. With that said though, I do think Essences should have been made mandatory for queuing simply because the bosses are scaled with the belief you'll have them. Part of the fault, however, lies on the devs for not better incentivizing them. Far too few fragments drop from DR itself. They also missed a perfect opportunity to stuff low grade Essences in lockboxes instead of yet more useless prisms. The problem is many players simply don't like Bozja and are only partaking in it for their relic. They aren't going to spend gil or farm clusters because they don't care about the content to begin with. The dev team needs to stop assuming people will go out of their way without a big incentive or being outright forced.

Nevertheless, you are 100% leeching off other players if you queue into DR without an Essence. Defend it however you like but the DPS difference is staggering—enough it'd be the equivalent of you going into Tower at Paradigm's Breach and freestyling your rotation. A tank using a baby Materialist will handily out-damage a naked Samurai. If you're okay with that, to each their own, I suppose. Just don't complain the next time you queue into a roulette and someone's AFKing, not AoEing, not DPSing as a healer. You're essentially that person in DR.

Exactly. Not using an essence is basically the equivalent of being permanently on Brink of Death.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Now I would never expect this in a random DF group. This party was advertised in PF specifically to trash bosses. With that said though, I do think Essences should have been made mandatory for queuing simply because the bosses are scaled with the belief you'll have them. Part of the fault, however, lies on the devs for not better incentivizing them. Far too few fragments drop from DR itself. They also missed a perfect opportunity to stuff low grade Essences in lockboxes instead of yet more useless prisms. The problem is many players simply don't like Bozja and are only partaking in it for their relic. They aren't going to spend gil or farm clusters because they don't care about the content to begin with. The dev team needs to stop assuming people will go out of their way without a big incentive or being outright forced.

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I would have to disagree a bit there. If they were 100% scaled with that belief they would have been near unbeatable without them, but the content is still really easy without. So far as I see it in general the actions are meant to be something fun, in savage I would say they are mandatory but otherwise no. The fun of being able to hit big numbers you otherwise never would, the novelty! It is fun to see a boss melt or see yourself hit a super fat crit dh.

Also equating not using an essence to someone straight up afk is so disingenuous. One person is actively playing, helping and not breaking the ToS. The other is not even there and is reportable for breaking the ToS. Just because it is not to your standard does not make it equivalent to breaking the rules. Most people that I see not using essences in these threads have said they use what they have. They don't exactly drop like candy. And they are used up quickly, I am not sitting for 30mins shouting for a cluster farm or spending my gil when I am fine with a slower run.

[Vahlnir]

I would have to disagree a bit there. If they were 100% scaled with that belief they would have been near unbeatable without them, but the content is still really easy without. So far as I see it in general the actions are meant to be something fun, in savage I would say they are mandatory but otherwise no. The fun of being able to hit big numbers you otherwise never would, the novelty! It is fun to see a boss melt or see yourself hit a super fat crit dh.

With how high their HP pools are compared to other content...yeah, they do encourage essence use. There's a difference between a scale up in difficulty and making each boss damage sponges.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

With how high their HP pools are compared to other content...yeah, they do encourage essence use. There's a difference between a scale up in difficulty and making each boss damage sponges.

In savage I would say so. I never said they are not scaled AT ALL due to their existence. Just not in the normal content enough such that their use is mandatory or heavily encouraged. If they really really wanted people using them. The bosses would be hitting harder and have even more HP. Being able to turn a 45min fight into a 15 minute one shows that much. There is no encouragement to use them, I don't get anything extra that is worthwhile for potting all the time. There is no achievement for it, correct me if I'm wrong. I know there is one for appraising but not for using. For normal DR they are entirely optional and hardly encouraged to me at all.

[Vahlnir]

Being able to turn a 45min fight into a 15 minute one shows that much. There is no encouragement to use them

Sort of refuted your own point on your own here.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Sort of refuted your own point on your own here.

Not really, for you it is encouragement. But as I have said I don't care how long the run is so I am not that encouraged to make the essence use mandatory :3

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

In savage I would say so. I never said they are not scaled AT ALL due to their existence. Just not in the normal content enough such that their use is mandatory or heavily encouraged..

Let me put this in perspective.

Based on logs on a certain website, you can see the 3rd boss of Tower at paradigm's breach has roughly 106million HP. keep in mind, this is also a 24 man instance, that at minimum, requires an ilvl of 495.
Using the same website, you can also see the first boss of Delebrum Reginae has 98million HP. In an instance that syncs to i430 no matter what.

They have nearly the same HP, but the normal 24 man boss is tuned to nearly 70 ilvls above the other. To continue putting this in perspective, the first boss of copied factory has 70million HP, for an instance with a min ilvl of 435.

Numbers don't lie; the Delebrum Reginae bosses have HP tuned closer to an ilvl of 500, despite Bozja force-syncing you to i430. The devs scaled them assuming the vast majority of the party is using essences & actions to boost your damage levels up to i500 levels. ForteNightShade is correct in that not using an essence + actions is effectively the same as being in a perma-brink of death state. If you choose not to use essences or actions, that's your decision. Just don't ever complain if you get a party member who dies every minute in any content or isn't pulling their weight, as you'd be hypocritical.

Also, you have to consider the devs design stuff with the JP mindset, where players are more community focused and 'for the group' mentality than NA players which are by far and large more selfish. Over on JP everyone popping essences would be the expected, thus the tuning makes perfect sense.