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    Hanayumi's Avatar
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    Kara Dusksinger
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    Nah... nothing says youre required to use essences or lost actions for normal runs, use what you got but dont really NEED them. Its 100% up to folks on where they want to waste their time, farming or slow runs.
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    Player lezard21's Avatar
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    Arngrim Hallbjorn
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    SE definitely needs to add the option to kick people from DR. Once the freeloaders start getting kicked before the first boss starts for not using essences and actions they'll suddenly have time for the obscene grinding of 1 cluster.
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    Rena Kangawa
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    Quote Originally Posted by lezard21 View Post
    SE definitely needs to add the option to kick people from DR. Once the freeloaders start getting kicked before the first boss starts for not using essences and actions they'll suddenly have time for the obscene grinding of 1 cluster.

    Or people that don't want to deal with people not using essences/actions could just stick to PF.
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    Rinh Neftereh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silica-chan View Post
    Or people that don't want to deal with people not using essences/actions could just stick to PF.
    yeah, I hate to see people play their job and use their kit well, too!
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    Absenthine Starfrost
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanayumi View Post
    Nah... nothing says youre required to use essences or lost actions for normal runs, use what you got but dont really NEED them. Its 100% up to folks on where they want to waste their time, farming or slow runs.
    If you are in DR use an essence. It can be anything, just use something. It's not to help just you, it's to help the other 23 people with you. If I decide to bring one but like 10 others decide not to, those people now made my choice of having a fast run invalid.
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    Player lezard21's Avatar
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    Arngrim Hallbjorn
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    Today I was in a Castrum a run with 18 players, so we got Echo bonus. My party's setup was pretty bad, with players having combinations like Cure II and Cure III for whatever reason including healers, or carrying Protect/Shell on DPS and a general lack of essence. I went as MNK with Beast Essence, Rend Armor and Assassinate. I went bottom with a 10-8 split.

    Bottom had a 40% advantage on top. I stop DPSing for a bit waiting for them to catch up but the Drill is taking a lot of damage due to low numbers for the split attacks and tethers, so we kill bot with Top still on 50%. We kill the waves of mobs for 2+ minutes but eventually we wipe because Drill took too much damage from Top's boss attack.

    We have time for one more attempt, so this time I go top. 9-9 split. This time Top finishes almost 40% ahead. Bottom is unable to kill boss before the drill dies from splits and tethers.

    This is how important essence and action usage is on Bozja.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lezard21 View Post
    Today I was in a Castrum a run with 18 players, so we got Echo bonus. My party's setup was pretty bad, with players having combinations like Cure II and Cure III for whatever reason including healers, or carrying Protect/Shell on DPS and a general lack of essence. I went as MNK with Beast Essence, Rend Armor and Assassinate. I went bottom with a 10-8 split.

    Bottom had a 40% advantage on top. I stop DPSing for a bit waiting for them to catch up but the Drill is taking a lot of damage due to low numbers for the split attacks and tethers, so we kill bot with Top still on 50%. We kill the waves of mobs for 2+ minutes but eventually we wipe because Drill took too much damage from Top's boss attack.

    We have time for one more attempt, so this time I go top. 9-9 split. This time Top finishes almost 40% ahead. Bottom is unable to kill boss before the drill dies from splits and tethers.

    This is how important essence and action usage is on Bozja.
    now you understand my pain
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    Thea Sitori
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    Quote Originally Posted by lezard21 View Post
    Today I was in a Castrum a run with 18 players, so we got Echo bonus. My party's setup was pretty bad, with players having combinations like Cure II and Cure III for whatever reason including healers, or carrying Protect/Shell on DPS and a general lack of essence. I went as MNK with Beast Essence, Rend Armor and Assassinate. I went bottom with a 10-8 split.

    Bottom had a 40% advantage on top. I stop DPSing for a bit waiting for them to catch up but the Drill is taking a lot of damage due to low numbers for the split attacks and tethers, so we kill bot with Top still on 50%. We kill the waves of mobs for 2+ minutes but eventually we wipe because Drill took too much damage from Top's boss attack.

    We have time for one more attempt, so this time I go top. 9-9 split. This time Top finishes almost 40% ahead. Bottom is unable to kill boss before the drill dies from splits and tethers.

    This is how important essence and action usage is on Bozja.
    Yep, I call out Lost Spellforge is much more helpful nowadays for the first Castrum bosses because of sporadic essence use, and yet people still don't know that both floors of bosses have weakness to Magic.

    The uninformed still play this "amount of people should be even" BS game. Of course if you have majority casters on the floor it will melt. Spellforge the best equalizer, not to mention saving a lot of time. I'm willing to bet 80% who queue into Castrum probably even have that skill in the chest and just never decide to bring it.
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    Last edited by technole; 07-10-2021 at 10:03 AM.

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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by lezard21 View Post
    This is how important essence and action usage is on Bozja.
    Not gonna lie, your story is part of the reason I’m wishing for more side-contents with this sort of ‘soft DPS checks’. Main story contents can stay ‘roflstomp’ as they are today because they’re mandatory, but implementing such dps checks on side contents such as this… probably won’t be too much to ask. Besides, being a sidecontent, means players can choose to ignore it and still play the game just fine in other contents.

    A friend of mine had a similar ordeal & ever since then they’d been hitting me up to assist in frag/cluster farming to bulk them up with supplies of essences & lost actions. It’s a refreshing change from the previous ”Lololol you don’t need essences lmao.”-attitude they had before.
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    Ku Rando
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    At the end of the day essences are not a requirement to clear the content, only a benefit. DR is classed as casual content and the devs aren't going to alienate groups of players if they don't have essences/lost actions etc for the run.

    The worse thing about the content is players afking or doing the bare minimal (not lost action related) and you can't even dismiss them from the duty or replace them, there is no leaver penalty either so it encourages bad behaviour. Granted you shouldn't have to stay in a run of you feel it wastes your time, but it really should have the same leaver rules as any other duty regardless.
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