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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    It's actually kind of ridiculous that this kind of thing works even on the Asian servers.

    In DF it's legitimately less efficient for everyone involved to be grinding essences. Sure the run takes less time, but once the time they all spent grinding gets factored it's an efficiency loss for each individual. They would've been better off just eating to 50 minute DRs, but SE plays on their culture of shaming each other for doing anything that's of benefit to the individual. It's almost exploitative; SE uses their culture to pass this essence system that's INTENTIONALLY inefficient.

    I'm honestly thankful NA doesn't play into that crap.
    I feel absolutely blessed getting the chance to read this before it was deleted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    I feel absolutely blessed getting the chance to read this before it was deleted.
    You're welcome.

    I've gotten in trouble for commenting on Asian gaming culture in a less than positive way here before, so decided this is not the direction I want to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    I feel absolutely blessed getting the chance to read this before it was deleted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver View Post
    If those toxic tactics mean you don't use an essence, I think you will find we don't care. And again the same if you leave. Straight up afk however and I will simply report you and carry on my merry way.
    I my dps contribution for the first two bosses is going to be greater than yours for the rest of the run even if I afk. So at the end I am doing more things than you even if I afk.

    I had one run where I said in /shout that I am not going to play if I don't get a healer.
    I left my own to let them invite one. We had 3 in total in dr. I had told ppl in shout that I needed to be invited but no one responded in the end. I kept on dying to unavoidable aoe because I am not running essence of the veteran like 90%of the DPS players. At the third boss I gave up on trying to play solo in 24 man raid. If I die to unavoidable aoe, I am not going to accept the raise My rank was also around 16-17 so the mettle loss was insignificant. That run took exactly 1hour and 3 minutes. I watched 2 episodes of sukasuka.
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    Aelin Ashriver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    I my dps contribution for the first two bosses is going to be greater than yours for the rest of the run even if I afk. So at the end I am doing more things than you even if I afk.

    I had one run where I said in /shout that I am not going to play if I don't get a healer.
    I left my own to let them invite one. We had 3 in total in dr. I had told ppl in shout that I needed to be invited but no one responded in the end. I kept on dying to unavoidable aoe because I am not running essence of the veteran like 90%of the DPS players. At the third boss I gave up on trying to play solo in 24 man raid. If I die to unavoidable aoe, I am not going to accept the raise My rank was also around 16-17 so the mettle loss was insignificant. That run took exactly 1hour and 3 minutes. I watched 2 episodes of sukasuka.
    Justify it however you want to the GM when u end up in jail for afk. And besides, you are not punishing me, all you do is upset people like yourself who are wanting the speedy runs. I could care less.
    Not having a healer can be a pain hence I always take cures with me when I go as dps, I suggest you do the same. Because I have never belligerently refused to play because nobody was healing me. Sounds like you are worse than me!
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    Tora Noyama
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    I try to stay more polite than I can, even if this post doesn’t deserve politeness.
    First of all:
    Assuming It’s my first run in DR, if I’m not using your blessed actions, am I trolling you?
    Assuming it’s not my habit grind your trusted actions neither Gill to buy them, am I trolling you?
    Assuming I’m not interest in DR and relic farms but this day I joined my fellows party for a friendly run and I don’t have your supercalifragilistic actions or I don’t want to use them, am I trolling you?

    For what I’ve read, this post is an useless and childish player’s complaint that sold his last two braincells for a small amount of dps.
    But, as I said before I want to stay more polite than I can so here my advises:

    1) Stand in front of the mirror. Watch yourself. Take an huge breath and repeat several times: “My life doesn’t change if a DR lasts 40 mins or 15 mins nor someone else.
    2) after one hour of gaming take a break. Prepare some coffee. Drink it slowly and while tasting its flavour repeat this in your head: “I’m playing FFXIV to have fun, not to complain everything others may do”.
    3) When you are seeing your parses and your analyses keep in mind: “My parses maybe good enough to be considered a “”””””pro”””””” but all these numbers are useful if I am a child”.
    4) If you wrote this, it’s legit to think that you use a dps meter, a third program, to track down all the damage that all 48 players do, unless you target all the 48 players and watch player by player which fabulous actions they activated (if so, probably your DR last more than 15 mins because of you are not pressing your buttons).
    I want to remember to you that using a third party program is strictly forbidden by SE’s ToS to avoid harassment and other malevolent behaviours. Writing a post who can be read as an harassment by some one like me, who “is trolling you because I never use any actions”, in a public official SE’s forum isn’t wise.
    So, this is my final advise, sir. Enjoy your experience in the way you have fun. Don’t complain others playing, take a break if you feel nervous about something and keep in mind that out there nobody cares how long your last DR lasts. If you got frustrated for a game, you will get the same in real life...try to work on this.
    Spoiler: Humbleness is not a skill incoming in 6.0

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokerz_93 View Post
    I want to remember to you that using a third party program is strictly forbidden by SE’s ToS to avoid harassment and other malevolent behaviours. Writing a post who can be read as an harassment by some one like me, who “is trolling you because I never use any actions”, in a public official SE’s forum isn’t wise.
    So, this is my final advise, sir. Enjoy your experience in the way you have fun. Don’t complain others playing, take a break if you feel nervous about something and keep in mind that out there nobody cares how long your last DR lasts. If you got frustrated for a game, you will get the same in real life...try to work on this.
    Spoiler: Humbleness is not a skill incoming in 6.0

    Cheers
    LUL all this just to defend getting riding on the coat tails of others. I do not get why people refuse to just sit back and accept the mere notion “if” they get a group that uses essences and a handful of players are not the handful of players are getting in essence a quicker more efficient ride for free that one run.

    Please stop hiding behind “fun” when it comes to reaping the benefits of others effort. Sure for the most part most PUG groups probably will not use them, but in the off chance you do luck into one that does use them please accept for that run you were carried. You can be proud that you are having fun your way, but at the very least be honest about what the group did for ya if they are using essences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokerz_93 View Post
    I try to stay more polite than I can, even if this post doesn’t deserve politeness.
    First of all:
    Assuming It’s my first run in DR, if I’m not using your blessed actions, am I trolling you?
    Assuming it’s not my habit grind your trusted actions neither Gill to buy them, am I trolling you?
    Assuming I’m not interest in DR and relic farms but this day I joined my fellows party for a friendly run and I don’t have your supercalifragilistic actions or I don’t want to use them, am I trolling you?

    For what I’ve read, this post is an useless and childish player’s complaint that sold his last two braincells for a small amount of dps.
    But, as I said before I want to stay more polite than I can so here my advises:

    1) Stand in front of the mirror. Watch yourself. Take an huge breath and repeat several times: “My life doesn’t change if a DR lasts 40 mins or 15 mins nor someone else.
    2) after one hour of gaming take a break. Prepare some coffee. Drink it slowly and while tasting its flavour repeat this in your head: “I’m playing FFXIV to have fun, not to complain everything others may do”.
    3) When you are seeing your parses and your analyses keep in mind: “My parses maybe good enough to be considered a “”””””pro”””””” but all these numbers are useful if I am a child”.
    4) If you wrote this, it’s legit to think that you use a dps meter, a third program, to track down all the damage that all 48 players do, unless you target all the 48 players and watch player by player which fabulous actions they activated (if so, probably your DR last more than 15 mins because of you are not pressing your buttons).
    I want to remember to you that using a third party program is strictly forbidden by SE’s ToS to avoid harassment and other malevolent behaviours. Writing a post who can be read as an harassment by some one like me, who “is trolling you because I never use any actions”, in a public official SE’s forum isn’t wise.
    So, this is my final advise, sir. Enjoy your experience in the way you have fun. Don’t complain others playing, take a break if you feel nervous about something and keep in mind that out there nobody cares how long your last DR lasts. If you got frustrated for a game, you will get the same in real life...try to work on this.
    Spoiler: Humbleness is not a skill incoming in 6.0

    Cheers
    k.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokerz_93 View Post
    I try to stay more polite than I can, even if this post doesn’t deserve politeness.
    First of all:
    Assuming It’s my first run in DR, if I’m not using your blessed actions, am I trolling you?
    Assuming it’s not my habit grind your trusted actions neither Gill to buy them, am I trolling you?
    Assuming I’m not interest in DR and relic farms but this day I joined my fellows party for a friendly run and I don’t have your supercalifragilistic actions or I don’t want to use them, am I trolling you?

    For what I’ve read, this post is an useless and childish player’s complaint that sold his last two braincells for a small amount of dps.
    But, as I said before I want to stay more polite than I can so here my advises:

    1) Stand in front of the mirror. Watch yourself. Take an huge breath and repeat several times: “My life doesn’t change if a DR lasts 40 mins or 15 mins nor someone else.
    2) after one hour of gaming take a break. Prepare some coffee. Drink it slowly and while tasting its flavour repeat this in your head: “I’m playing FFXIV to have fun, not to complain everything others may do”.
    3) When you are seeing your parses and your analyses keep in mind: “My parses maybe good enough to be considered a “”””””pro”””””” but all these numbers are useful if I am a child”.
    4) If you wrote this, it’s legit to think that you use a dps meter, a third program, to track down all the damage that all 48 players do, unless you target all the 48 players and watch player by player which fabulous actions they activated (if so, probably your DR last more than 15 mins because of you are not pressing your buttons).
    I want to remember to you that using a third party program is strictly forbidden by SE’s ToS to avoid harassment and other malevolent behaviours. Writing a post who can be read as an harassment by some one like me, who “is trolling you because I never use any actions”, in a public official SE’s forum isn’t wise.
    So, this is my final advise, sir. Enjoy your experience in the way you have fun. Don’t complain others playing, take a break if you feel nervous about something and keep in mind that out there nobody cares how long your last DR lasts. If you got frustrated for a game, you will get the same in real life...try to work on this.
    Spoiler: Humbleness is not a skill incoming in 6.0

    Cheers
    Thank you for this helpful advice on how you cope with being a sociopath.
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    I've never gone out of my way to grind or buy fragments for essences or lost actions, and I have a huge supply of Essence of the Martialist, which is all you ever need as a tank. So I don't really think there's much excuse for not having something.
    Sure there are some essences I'm running low on, I wish I had more Deep Bloodsucker to make soloing Zadnor a bit easier, but that's not necessary for DR.
    I'm not sure what it's like for DPS/Healers because I always queue as tank (the one time I queued as MCH, there were no tanks in the instance...) but I'm sure there must be something relatively common that will be useful.

    It makes a notable difference when nobody in the instance is using an essence, all those +40-70% damage buffs really add up, and can turn a fun 30 minute raid into a 60 minute chore.
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    Last edited by Seraphor; 06-06-2021 at 09:38 PM.

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