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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    The funny thing is that even if everyone in DF was using essences farming them would still be a negative time investment. Mathematically speaking, in a short run your contribution counts for even less time, so instead of saving a minute by using an essence you've saved maybe 30 seconds. Bozja is just very poorly designed content from a time investment/rewards standpoint. It'll ALWAYS be more efficient for you to do the bare minimum. Don't get mad at the players who were smart enough to realize it, get mad at SE for designing it that way.

    As for PF; static groups who all agree to go in 100% will always set the efficiency curve. If you can get into one and stomach the rigidity and scheduling then yes, that would be the most efficient thing to do. People are upset that no one uses essences in DF, though. I'm just explaining why they don't.
    In a stacked group man you can blow through DR in 15 mind. My best time is just under 17 minutes, and that was with us making mistakes and being sloppy.

    Also man it is not that rigid sure for the first few runs it might be rigid but after that once people get to know you and stuff it is pretty easy to get a group whenever especially if you use discord.

    It just makes no sense why people that dislike the content are so dead set on taking the longest path to the end goal. Not mad just makes no sense hate the content but I pick the path that results in me having to do said content for longer.
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    I don't know if people can be mad at SE, I think SE simply overestimated their playerbase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I don't know if people can be mad at SE, I think SE simply overestimated their playerbase.
    On an individual basis SE made farming essences less efficient than running content without them. Any player with half a brain who realizes this isn't going to bother farming essences for DF.

    This is SE's incompetent design, so yea blame them. People who spent time farming essences specifically for DF DR just kind of screwed themselves over by not doing the math, or not understanding it, and I guess they're a little bitter about it.
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    Last edited by Goji1639; 06-06-2021 at 09:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    On an individual basis SE made farming essences less efficient than running content without them. Any player with half a brain who realizes this isn't going to bother farming essences for DF.

    This is SE's incompetent design, so yea blame them. People who spent time farming essences specifically for DF DR just kind of screwed themselves over by not doing the math, or not understanding it, and I guess they're a little bitter about it.
    I just didn't want to feel guilty going into the content without them c.c But after 2 hours of cluster farming and only getting 8 essences I was kinda pissed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I don't know if people can be mad at SE, I think SE simply overestimated their playerbase.
    The thing is, they assumed whole playerbase is like those we see in japanese community: team based efforts. But because the game houses more than just japanese community, this of course falls apart when it come across to the more individualistic community: NA server (can’t speak for EU cause I have no idea)
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    I am on Crystal, and I had run out of Skirmisher, and didn't have time to go farm any.. so I went on a quick run through the different worlds, looking for prices... lowest was 6000 per frag for that particular fragment. I bought a stack of 99... I got 4 skirmisher. This is why people don't want to buy fragments. I got some others I could use with red mage, so I used red mage for my last 6 delubrum runs, which I am not as good on as I am as dancer.

    So, es, I was using essences, but probably not doing much more damage as rdm with essences as I would have as an unessenced dancer, considering I am more comfortable as a dancer. So, really, did it shave any time off those runs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver View Post
    Don't be the idiot that pays us and then "carries" us lmao
    I buy fragments for my own enjoyment. If I see too many leeches, I just use their toxic tactics against them or leave if I really want to play the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    I buy fragments for my own enjoyment. If I see too many leeches, I just use their toxic tactics against them or leave if I really want to play the game.
    If those toxic tactics mean you don't use an essence, I think you will find we don't care. And again the same if you leave. Straight up afk however and I will simply report you and carry on my merry way.
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    Elan Centauri
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    I buy fragments for my own enjoyment. If I see too many leeches, I just use their toxic tactics against them or leave if I really want to play the game.
    While I don't agree with the approach some have taken, I wouldn't go as far as saying that they are toxic leeches. I have my disagreements on this subject, but that is definitely not something I believe. Overall, it's just not worth the effort to some players, whether I agree with it or not. I've said my piece on this topic already, so my views are known. Honestly not much more for me to say.
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    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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