Other summoners using some kind of cheat/hack/exploit to summon Phoenix faster

[MoltresRider]

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Date & Time: multiple dates/times
Frequency: varies heavily
World name: Ultros, Excalibur
Character name: Moltres Rider, Rydia Mystt (Ultros), Galarian Articuno (Excalibur)
Class/Level: SMN 80
Party or solo: party
In-game time: any time all day
Area and coordinates: Any level 80 instanced duty (mainly noticeable in trials and raids that are dedicated fights)
Steps:
1. Enter any level 80 instance as SMN
2. Get Bahamut out BEFORE any other summoner does right at the start of the fight
3. Watch as other summoners get Bahamut out anywhere from a few seconds to 5 seconds AFTER I got Bahamut out
4. Watch the other summoners get Phoenix out while my Dreadwyrm/Firebird Trance is still on cooldown

These other summoners are enabling Dreadwyrm Trance and summoning Bahamut AFTER I do so their cooldown to get Phoenix out should end AFTER mine does. However, these other summoners are able to get Phoenix out upwards of 20 seconds before my Trance cooldown ends.

These summoners seem to be using some kind of cheat or exploit to either remove or reduce the cooldown timer on their Trance. There should be absolutely no way that they could summon Phoenix 20 seconds before my cooldown ends when they used the Trance action several seconds AFTER I did. My Bahamut was CLEARLY out first so my Phoenix should be out before their cooldown ends.

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[RicaRuin]

The Phoenix Timer is connected to the Trance Timer, not Demi-Bahamut. It may merely be that they rushed their Trance before you did and summoned Bahamut way later. (For example, you can use Dreadwyrm Trance, end it, then wait like 60 seconds and you could use Bahamut and Phoenix back to back... not recommended, though.)

How can you tell for sure they used Dreadwyrm Trance after you did and not before?

[MoltresRider]

Well when this happens right at the very beginning, there is no time to even to use trance that fast unless they used it before the tank pulled but doing so would be stupid

[Lilyth]

I played SMN a lot this tier and I've never seen such thing happen.

If possible, would you be able to provide video proof? That would solve any and all doubts.

[MaikoRaines]

1. Enter any level 80 instance as SMN
2. Get Bahamut out BEFORE any other summoner does right at the start of the fight
3. Watch as other summoners get Bahamut out anywhere from a few seconds to 5 seconds AFTER I got Bahamut out
4. Watch the other summoners get Phoenix out while my Dreadwyrm/Firebird Trance is still on cooldown

These other summoners are enabling Dreadwyrm Trance and summoning Bahamut AFTER I do so their cooldown to get Phoenix out should end AFTER mine does. However, these other summoners are able to get Phoenix out upwards of 20 seconds before my Trance cooldown ends.

These summoners seem to be using some kind of cheat or exploit to either remove or reduce the cooldown timer on their Trance. There should be absolutely no way that they could summon Phoenix 20 seconds before my cooldown ends when they used the Trance action several seconds AFTER I did. My Bahamut was CLEARLY out first so my Phoenix should be out before their cooldown ends.

Uh... what? Sorry I'm kind of confused here. I use SMN on a regular basis...

So you know Bahamut/Phoenix timers are individual yeah? I've held onto my Bahamut about 20-30 seconds after DWT, popped Bahamut out, exhausted the timer and was immediately able to summon Phoenix. If I don't hold onto Phoenix then it's a 20 second CD until I can use Phoenix otherwise. I've been able to pop them back to back during certain conditions (usually me just forgetting to pop Baha after DWT)

Also, Bahamut is usually readily available after DWT timers are run out. I don't understand your complaint/report. If how you're describing it is what I think, that's not a cheat/bug/exploit. That's just holding out on timers.

[Anhra]

There is a small trick that if you trigger Dreadwyrm Trance and let it run out without summoning Bahamut, you can simply wait (while having Bahamut on hold) for the cooldown to wear off. Once it did, you can summon Bahamut and immediately have Phoenix ready to go as well, once the former finished its buisness. Not many People do that for some reason but it does look cool if you do so.

[DrWho2010]

OP is a frequent poster that often gets things wrong and doesn't understand how some of the game systems work. He then has to point this out and exposes how ridiculous some of his "complaints" are.

[juicybug]

Hrm.... do you mean... popping Dreadwyrm hold it until 5 seconds left in trance timer, then use Deathflare so you don't lose that proc. Then summon baha>ruin III's rotation then once baha disappears Phoenix should be nearly ready, and sometimes is ready for immediate use.- Is that what you're seeing? It's a common rotation.