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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imora View Post
    Oh wth.

    I always ran Selene if i had a WHM or AST in group(our AST ran dinural) because she was awesome

    Guess I use her because i prefer her colors then.
    Yep, it's one of the reasons I've lost interest in SCH.


    Also keep in mind that your fairy is no longer really a separate entity.
    She automatically casts Embrace on the target with the lowest health now and you have no control over it anymore.
    All her other abilities can no longer be executed at any time, if you use them during GCD casts she will wait until you finished casting and then execute the ability while putting you into an animation lock and making your GCD clip.
    So Eos/Selene basically function like SCH's oGCDs.
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 06-07-2021 at 07:28 AM.

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    I'm almost glad for that because I really did not like macro micromanaging the fairy heals, but can see where it'd upset people. I never got past A2S as SCH, as i switched to PLD.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imora View Post
    I'm almost glad for that because I really did not like macro micromanaging the fairy heals, but can see where it'd upset people. I never got past A2S as SCH, as i switched to PLD.
    I'm at the point where I wouldn't mind if Eos just became a cosmetic thing and all of the abilities were SCH oGCDs, the problem with the current system is that the fairy still handles as sluggish and unresponsive as before, but now lacks the flexibility to compensate.
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  4. #44
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    Rin Hikari
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazukiyashuo View Post
    i agree to that, i dont agree to ppl saying healer became boring in shb, healers always were boring dps wise. thats how the game is built since the beggining, i can understand if someone have a suggestion to make it more engaging, but that ends here, we are not the ones to decide that. if u like it how it is u play it if u dont u move to another job or another game, making crying posts all the time in the forums wont solve anything
    A ton of SCH's that I know are going sage to get away from this dumpster fire of a job. We have every right to complain, and to be extremely critical of the developers of this game. Without feedback, they won't know that most people find healer damage boring as hell. Most long time SCH mains that I know absolutely hate the job now.

    Quote Originally Posted by KaerisKlyne View Post
    The skills are kind of ehh as capstones, but they all fit the core of SCH's risk-reward strategist gameplay. It's up to you to know an encounter well enough to know when you can comfortably lock yourself out of parts of your kit and when you might need those things for more effective play.

    Is it the most engaging thing? No. Could be better all around for every healer, and that's been true since game launch. It was a bit more dynamic for SCH specifically when we still had Miasma 2 and Shadowflare + Cleric Stance, but the toggles and DoTs were the same as now. There were just more of them.

    SCH is still my fav of the 3 when I want to be a little busier than when I run WHM because of the risk-reward elements of the kit. I would still love something to be done about healer downtime limited dps option spamming.
    Risk reward? the reward is 30 damage potency on dissipation.
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    Yep, it's one of the reasons I've lost interest in SCH.

    All her other abilities can no longer be executed at any time, if you use them during GCD casts she will wait until you finished casting and then execute the ability while putting you into an animation lock and making your GCD clip.
    So Eos/Selene basically function like SCH's oGCDs.
    I did not know that was how it worked. That's awful! Keep in mind that I only started playing Scholar a few months ago. I never experienced the glory days. Current SCH is all I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCLouisGamer View Post
    I did not know that was how it worked. That's awful! Keep in mind that I only started playing Scholar a few months ago. I never experienced the glory days. Current SCH is all I know.
    Yeah, the fairy was much snappier in Stormblood. You used to be able to directly press things like Whispering Dawn, but they made her abilities into clunky Scholar "order fairy to execute" oGCDs instead. I'm pretty sure I know why they did it: Scholar was generally considered overpowered in Heavensward and Stormblood, and the factors that made it so weren't a simple matter of nerfing one strong ability. The fairy being what was effectively a separate GCD that you could order to do work without needing to make any weave space was one of these factors. You could fire off a Medica 2 equivalent without even dropping Broil casts. And despite all of the complaints about how "weak" Embrace felt, statistically Embrace casts alone accounted for, IIRC, about 20-30% of healing Scholars did in Savage. A constantly pulsing regen effect you never need to spend a GCD to reapply does a ton of work over time.

    tl;dr the fairy's stupid now because her intelligence contributed to making SCH busted in a hard-to-ignore way. So instead of finding a neat solution to this, they nerfed the crap out of her potencies and dragged her special abilities into SCH's weaving space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    the problem with the current system is that the fairy still handles as sluggish and unresponsive as before, but now lacks the flexibility to compensate.
    Yeah, it feels like such a perfect worst of both worlds had to have been deliberate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FusionSamurai View Post
    A ton of SCH's that I know are going sage to get away from this dumpster fire of a job. We have every right to complain, and to be extremely critical of the developers of this game. Without feedback, they won't know that most people find healer damage boring as hell. Most long time SCH mains that I know absolutely hate the job now.
    Not to mention the sad fact that the developers from this game are the most uncommunicative lot I've ever seen. They don't even try talking to use anymore about improving the healing experience. They literally don't have a care in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truen View Post
    Not to mention the sad fact that the developers from this game are the most uncommunicative lot I've ever seen. They don't even try talking to use anymore about improving the healing experience. They literally don't have a care in the world.
    They were better in Heavensward. After Stormblood lilies were announced and the community ripped into that design, they kept telling us to trust them. Then we were correct, aaaaaand they've basically been silent unless backed into a corner ever since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truen View Post
    Not to mention the sad fact that the developers from this game are the most uncommunicative lot I've ever seen. They don't even try talking to use anymore about improving the healing experience. They literally don't have a care in the world.
    Them:"We aren't gonna show you job patch notes because we don't want you to freak out"
    Me: "doesn't that just make it worse on people whose jobs get significant changes, as those players are thrown to the wolves with no time to theorycraft their jobs before raid tiers come out?"
    THem:"......"
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