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[Goji1639]

But like. This mindset is why it happens lol. "If other people don't care, why should I?", if everyone thinks that way, nothing will change.

Nothing will change, though. This mindset exists because Bozja isn't fun; it's terrible content that they get people to play only by gating the relic behind it. Me wasting more time in there isn't going to fix that.

If Bozja were fun and engaging, with great rewards I'd be in there all day and have 100's of everything. Instead it's a tedious chore that has only one thing that most people want, and that's the relic. A bunch of disinterested and non-committed people doing the bare minimum is the best Bozja can ever hope for, and it only even has that because of the relic. If not for the relic the place would just be dead, and it probably should be.

[Liam_Harper]

So, if I farm essences that means EVERYONE will use them and I'll save half an hour?

No, I'll farm them and it won't change a thing about what everyone else is doing.

Actually it has changed what everyone else is doing. Speed run PF groups with dps essences have become a thing. Which means players with your mindset are discouraging the few who were carrying you from grouping with you anymore.

Players with your mindset only shoot themselves in the foot.

[Goji1639]

Actually it has changed what everyone else is doing. Speed run PF groups with dps essences have become a thing. Which means players with your mindset are discouraging the few who were carrying you from grouping with you anymore.

Players with your mindset only shoot themselves in the foot.

So, a few DPS essence PF groups pop up and you think that's actually a good reason for me to waste potential hours farming fragments? There's A LOT of people doing Bozja right now; unless you're seeing 100's of these PF groups at any given time, people aren't doing it in significant enough numbers to make any difference.

Players with my mindset are ONLY sparing themselves time and inconvenience. It's called reading the situation and being pragmatic. Me farming essences isn't going to make a real difference in any of MY 15 runs.

If you want to farm essences to contribute to some kind of "greater good" for this content then god bless, but I don't care enough about this content to dedicate hours of my time to a fruitless gesture.

Just stay in duty finder DR where no one really cares who uses essences and what not and do 50 minute runs for all we care. Leave our speedrun party finder DR alone.

Sounds good.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

Actually it has changed what everyone else is doing. Speed run PF groups with dps essences have become a thing. Which means players with your mindset are discouraging the few who were carrying you from grouping with you anymore.

Players with your mindset only shoot themselves in the foot.

Be careful your lack of patience and ADHD is showing. MMO's who does speedruns in MMO's? What do you get out of speedrunning it's not like you are getting paid nor getting anything out of it correct? Isn't the game supposed to be fun not treated as a job these days?

It's people that want others to use essences every waking minute are the ones who belittle and berate other players that are the toxic ones. I even have screenshots of conversations in party chat just because their ADHD has to have them finish by a certain time. If these players are the ones who only care about stats then why not play WoW or some other game where that is only thing cared about. I remember a video where a youtuber criticized about certain things about FF14 and it's community only for them to quit the game because they didn't like what he had to say. This is one of those conversations. As soon as you don't like how other's play, meet the standards or talk about the content that isn't 100% great you attack them and make excuses on why everyone should play that way. Not everyone will play that way but it doesn't give the right to mock them for not doing what you and some others do.

I never ask for carries and I make sure to do every mechanic in DR as good as possible. Yet I and other's get attacked because we don't use certain things. Just because it adds a little more time like whoopie do it took a little time. You in a hurry or something?

[ZedxKayn]

Be careful your lack of patience and ADHD is showing. MMO's who does speedruns in MMO's? What do you get out of speedrunning it's not like you are getting paid nor getting anything out of it correct? Isn't the game supposed to be fun not treated as a job these days?

It's people that want others to use essences every waking minute are the ones who belittle and berate other players that are the toxic ones. I even have screenshots of conversations in party chat just because their ADHD has to have them finish by a certain time. If these players are the ones who only care about stats then why not play WoW or some other game where that is only thing cared about. I remember a video where a youtuber criticized about certain things about FF14 and it's community only for them to quit the game because they didn't like what he had to say. This is one of those conversations. As soon as you don't like how other's play, meet the standards or talk about the content that isn't 100% great you attack them and make excuses on why everyone should play that way. Not everyone will play that way but it doesn't give the right to mock them for not doing what you and some others do.

I never ask for carries and I make sure to do every mechanic in DR as good as possible. Yet I and other's get attacked because we don't use certain things. Just because it adds a little more time like whoopie do it took a little time. You in a hurry or something?

Speed and efficiency is incredibly fun lmao.
"Go play WoW" "You have a mental disorder" and you got the balls to call other people toxic?

[Rinhi]

I even have screenshots of conversations in party chat just because their ADHD has to have them finish by a certain time.

can you post them? censored of course, or if you're too worried, PM them to me or something, I'd like to them!
calling someone mentally ill is a big yikes for me, tho, it's 2021, I mean come on

[Breezelyn]

SNIP

I've done DR like...thrice. I was one of those people who didn't use essences at all for two runs. Then, I decided to ask some healers IN DR about which essence(s) and actions I could use on a budget. They gave a list of what I could use the next time I came. So, my third run of DR, I brought some essences and actions with me. Guess what? My performance skyrocketed from dying constantly to actually contributing above the bare minimum. If someone like me who has "barely any time" to farm a few mobs for 20 minutes, then SO CAN YOU. Bringing some sort of essence or actions will help your party and the raid so, so much. If you ASK NICELY about what kind of stuff you can use, people will help you. Stop making up excuses; You just don't want to help yourself and everyone else around you. It makes the run so much easier for yourself and the raid, even if you bring SOMETHING basic. It doesn't have to be the super extreme or rare kind either.

Some people only have a set of time to farm DR in their own lives. Are you saying these people's time is irrelevant, because you don't want to do the bare minimum? It may be "in a hurry" for you, but a lot of players only have a certain amount of time to play a day, or days in between. Some have full-time jobs like you, and still bring the bare minimum to contribute.

So, where do you stand?

[Theodric]

Most people are reluctant to speak up about obvious problems in group content because it's all too easy for the terms of service to be weaponised against such individuals, even if advice is worded politely. It's also, incidentally, why the game itself can feel very sterile and lonely compared to the bustling chatter that can be found in other MMO's.

[MilkieTea]

Right? Why are players who want to play optimally (rather adequately) called "elitist" frequently, and told to form their own groups? How about people who are choosing to put in the least amount of effort, join their own groups instead?!

Right?!?

I try my hardest. Im not elite by any stretch of the imagination - I havent even touched savage or ultimate content, have never done an expert run of a dungeon.

I’m like probably 80% of FFXIV players - I play the game to the best of my ability, try not to drag others down with me, and use my toolkit to the fullest extent possible. It just so happens that in Bozja content (including DR, surprise surprise) part of your toolkit includes essences. Much like 80% of XIV, I just want to do the content on a reasonable schedule - a run that, should everyone be using their toolkit to the best of their abilities, wouldnt take more than 30 minutes.

If *you* (not you, Sturm) don’t want to use *your* toolkit, then join or find a group of likeminded individuals to play the game the way YOU want to play it. I’m not saying to stop playing, I’m not saying to get gud, I’m saying that that play style is not the majority, so find your niche group and run the content for as long as you want. If it takes an hour, thats fine, because you now have a group of likeminded individuals to play it with. Or alternatively... marketboard, if you don’t want to farm.

But we're "elitists", our opinions don't matter. Twelve have mercy on those of us who happen to be mentors as well.

The *shame* of it all! Shame on us

[Jeeqbit]

You can buy a fragment that gives essence using clusters. There is one specifically for DR called Pure Essence. Get the right one. You should have at least a small amount of clusters from ranking up. You can't use this type of essence if you are only rank 10 though.

Farming them isn't hard. You can do a castrum run for deep essences, kill a few mobs near the aethernets for normal essences or buy them from the market board.

The content says before you do it to review your Lost Action setup, because the content is tuned with the assumption that Lost Actions are being used, including essences. Ignoring this makes the run slower and less fun. My first run felt like it took over an hour and I didn't do it again for months I was so put off.