Healers Angry when PLD Clemencies

[Sqwall]

Uh... Nice maths but Nascent is still overall much more valuable than Clemency regardless if it could heal less because you don't beat fights by healing yourself, you beat them by hurting the enemy. If there's no damn good reason to clemency, just let your healers do their job.

I agree with you. That's why I put the last line in there.

Just trying to point out the amount clemency can heal that it is laughably underutilized.

And by the way your comment about you don't win fights by healing contradicts itself.

That's like saying I wouldn't be so broke if had more money. Or I wouldn't have had to take that ambulance if I didn't have chest pains.

Next time I want you to try completing a savage and have the healer just DPS and never heal...bet dollars to donuts you'll be smashing that clemency button before you start reaming the healer. Healing is 100% required for just about everything in this game.

It's just a shame DPS is now the star of the show as it offers the best feedback loop for players. LOOK AT THE BIG NUMBERS! I personally lose it when I crit clemency for 80-90k. Like I question "Is that right?" "Did I just see 90k heal?" "That must be broken."

DPS being the focus since late Heavensward has fundamentally shifted this game into if your DPS sucks, you lose. Nobody cares about how much damage I can mitigate. Or how much I can heal you. Everyone thinks that if my materia slotted for TEN, DET then i'm doing it wrong and they will be more then happy to offer their opinion. I kindly ignore it and continue to be a pro tank be completely self sufficient until a tank buster. The devs were kind enough to give me broken skill and I am to use it to it's full benefit.

The Healing community complained so much about not being able to survive in PVE or offer any real benefit in ex/savage that SE doubled down on giving more focus on healers DPSing to contribute to the party other then healing.

I hope someday that SE will wake up and break this cycle that DPS is the only core gameplay aspect that matters. I would rather be jacking up my healing stats more IF the tank was taking more damage, or raid wides hit STUPID hard. I guarantee the DPS members would lose their collective S*%^ if they were about to die barking at the healers to heal them. The tanks can take care of them selves to a point (clemency, Nascent, Blackest Night, Sorry GNB).

If the game was harder and the bosses hit like trucks this clemency argument would be over. Until that day comes (prolly never), then I would say talk to your healer before each EX/Savage.

[ZedxKayn]

I agree with you. That's why I put the last line in there.

Just trying to point out the amount clemency can heal that it is laughably underutilized.

And by the way your comment about you don't win fights by healing contradicts itself.

That's like saying I wouldn't be so broke if had more money. Or I wouldn't have had to take that ambulance if I didn't have chest pains.

Next time I want you to try completing a savage and have the healer just DPS and never heal...bet dollars to donuts you'll be smashing that clemency button before you start reaming the healer.

I'm the savage healer. But if I were to tank and my healers wouldn't heal me when necessary, I wouldn't cast clemency, I'd wipe and promptly kick them for not doing their job.

[IckeDerTyp]

Clemency your own DV to be super sick during a big AoE!

Other than that, go ahead and use it whenever, who cares lmao? ^^

Tho, DPS > HPS, but that's a personal thing!

[Hyperia]

I’ve been healing for a very long time and as a classic healer, I heal first and use DPS to fill the down time. I generally almost never see a PLD use Clemency because I try to keep them sufficiently healed to not require it.

Does it bother me if a PLD uses their own heal? Not in the least, I know they are trying to help and I am appreciate their teamwork. It’s usually when I am casting multiple Holy spells during an AOE pull.

So in a nutshell, I personally believe that any healers you see getting upset are a very small vocal minority and do not represent most healers.

To those who get upset about Clemency and your not the healer or the PLD, please do not worry. Both of us will keep you alive, please burn down the monsters and have fun! We got your back

Clemency away my friends, we will bring down the monsters together!

[ZedxKayn]

Clemency away my friends, we will bring down the monsters together!

Please don't Clemency with me I've been saving my benediction for the last second

[Artemiz]

Please don't Clemency with me I've been saving my benediction for the last second

Have you communicated this to the tank? do they play with you frequently and know to trust you to the last second? Good tanks are many things but they are not psychic. The healer and tank relationship is based on trust, if I don't know you I can only trust you so far and "last second" is certainly pushing it. The first job for every player is to stay alive and a dead tank very easily turns into a wipe.

[ZedxKayn]

Have you communicated this to the tank? do they play with you frequently and know to trust you to the last second? Good tanks are many things but they are not psychic. The healer and tank relationship is based on trust, if I don't know you I can only trust you so far and "last second" is certainly pushing it. The first job for every player is to stay alive and a dead tank very easily turns into a wipe.

If they die, it's on me, likewise as a tank, if I die while I was expecting a bene (though I shouldn't because I'll at least pop my invuln), I'll tell the healer to use bene.

[Artemiz]

If they die, it's on me, likewise as a tank, if I die while I was expecting a bene (though I shouldn't because I'll at least pop my invuln), I'll tell the healer to use bene.

The blame game after a wipe is great and all but I'd rather not have the wipe, personally. Don't get me wrong, I rarely use Clemency, I'm certainly not advocating people use it frequently and as a tank I learned a long time ago to recognize and trust good healers. I'm just pointing out that if you leave the tank until the "last second" you are expecting maximum trust from a player who doesn't know you, at least in DF. You can't really moan if they use Clemency in that situation as bad healers do exist, even ones in good gear.

[Jeeqbit]

I see paladins clemency a lot actually. I've leveled healers on a lot of data centers and it's common because they are not very confident, and don't understand how braindead healing is.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

If I see a clemency I assume the tank doesn’t trust me.

I’d assume me having a WHM ilvl 535 Edenmorn weapon makes me look at least passable but I suppose not.