Dev team, there needs to be a tutorial for limit break

[usernameuwu]

The amount of people i must explain where to find it or what it is, is astounding. And by the time you explain, the boss is already dead..
I am possibly being anal about always using it, but its something the party builds up, so why let it go to waste?

Was there ever a tutorial for it?

[Rongway]

On the one hand, yes, maybe the game should explain LBs. On the other hand, if you give each role a LB tutorial, some newbies--of all roles--are going to think they should be LBing at times that they shouldn't. And then some of these newbies are going to argue, "the game told me I should use it."

LB is arguably the most context-sensitive action in the entire game, and it may be better to let players tell other players to use it because the game can't possibly teach them in all contexts how to use it correctly--and how to correctly leave it alone for someone else to use.

[Awha]

On the one hand, yes, maybe the game should explain LBs. On the other hand, if you give each role a LB tutorial, some newbies--of all roles--are going to think they should be LBing at times that they shouldn't. And then some of these newbies are going to argue, "the game told me I should use it."

LB is arguably the most context-sensitive action in the entire game, and it may be better to let players tell other players to use it because the game can't possibly teach them in all contexts how to use it correctly--and how to correctly leave it alone for someone else to use.

To be fair I rather people LB at the wrong time then hold on to it and never use it or use it at the end of a boss for flare. Since let us be real for the most part the general player base will not be using it to cheese mechanics and in those situations where you need an LB for a certain phase or a specific purpose that is when you can explain it rather quickly.

[Liam_Harper]

The one that gets to me is "one player per job" PF's that don't touch lb3. Which in many cases is the only real advantage to not taking doubles. Even worse is "one per job" on things like Emerald EX where you don't even reach a lb3 regardless.

Other than that I really don't care that much if dps ignore lb. Dps melee limit breaks are somewhat overrated outside of the Chrysalis. They lock your melee for the animation and maybe shave a few seconds off the fight. Caster lb on dungeon trash is great though and certainly recommended.

Heal lb3 is amazing and underused. You don't have to hold it until you're the last player standing. At 3+ players dead it easily beats melee lb3. No weakness debuff, full health, instant result, no 8 sec Raise casts. Even the best players derp sometimes and an otherwise smooth run can go messy fast, so having a single button to undo all that is great.

Tank lb tends to be underused in Savage. Even a tank lb1 is solid raidwide mitigation (twice as much as Reprisal) and accessible fairly often. No reason not to consider it as potential party mitigation in organized groups.

[Shurrikhan]

On the one hand, yes, maybe the game should explain LBs. On the other hand, if you give each role a LB tutorial, some newbies--of all roles--are going to think they should be LBing at times that they shouldn't. And then some of these newbies are going to argue, "the game told me I should use it."

LB is arguably the most context-sensitive action in the entire game, and it may be better to let players tell other players to use it because the game can't possibly teach them in all contexts how to use it correctly--and how to correctly leave it alone for someone else to use.

Why are we assuming that the only thing an LB tutorial could teach is to use LB immediately and without context?

[Rongway]

Why are we assuming that the only thing an LB tutorial could teach is to use LB immediately and without context?

A tutorial can't possibly give enough context that we won't still be arguing over it years from now.

[Shurrikhan]

A tutorial can't possibly give enough context that we won't still be arguing over it years from now.

It can, in the course of some 2 minutes or less of tutorial text overlay across some 20 minutes of other context-setting events (e.g., an actual dungeon run, a few guildhests, or couple new Halls of the Novice scenarios), provide every bit as much context as even an astute player would likely garner across their 1-80 experience.

I realize XIV may set our expectations very, very low, but good tutorials (even when used minimalisticly) do exist and can be integrated even into this game.

[Jeeqbit]

The limit break is fully explained when you hover over it.

When you first interact with a limit break, an Active Help window appears which explains it as well, including how to navigate to Actions & Traits to put it on your hotbar, with a picture.

What it doesn't explain is when to actually use it. SE can't really tell a tank not to use their limit break ever. You also have a choice between using the melee limit break on a boss or an AoE limit break on trash and in my opinion, it doesn't matter. We are so beyond the item level of content, that things die before even reaching LB2 in the first place.

[Radacci]

The limit break is fully explained when you hover over it.

When you first interact with a limit break, an Active Help window appears which explains it as well, including how to navigate to Actions & Traits to put it on your hotbar, with a picture.

What it doesn't explain is when to actually use it. SE can't really tell a tank not to use their limit break ever. You also have a choice between using the melee limit break on a boss or an AoE limit break on trash and in my opinion, it doesn't matter. We are so beyond the item level of content, that things die before even reaching LB2 in the first place.

Tank LB is def needed in some cases.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Tank LB is def needed in some cases.

Two, in roulette content. Against Alexander Prime, and in the Seat of Sacrifice. Only the second is mandatory for the MSQ.