Why is the healer class basically a one spell dps class?

[FusionSamurai]

Part of what allows BLU to be fun is that it is 10 levels behind and can not be used for progression and party finder content. Make it level 80 and allow it to participate in Savage and players will start optimizing the fun out of it.

Blue mage is absurdly broken. If it was 80, it would annihilate savages, trivializing them. Imagine being able to diamondback any failed mechanic.

[Anhra]

Blue mage is absurdly broken. If it was 80, it would annihilate savages, trivializing them. Imagine being able to diamondback any failed mechanic.

Diamond Back, Instant Death and certain other Skills aside, the way how Tank/Healer BLU plays like, is imo, how those two Roles should be like.

I am not suggesting the same Skills here to be inplimented into said healers/tanks, but the way how they interact with the party and enemies, as well as the way how Bosses do overall damage to then?

That would truly be a great way of kicking healers and tanks towards the right direction.

[Lyth]

Have you ever actually tried the 4 WHM/solo WHM challenge on the NES for yourself? I feel like you just completely undermined your own argument.

[Imora]

Last time I played FF1 I got to the last boss grossly underleveled and got one shot.

Never played it again. Had no idea grinding was a thing in old NES RPGs when I was a kid.

[Halfgeeek]

I have a gut feel that if devs added new content that forces healers to be more busy healing, using both GCD and OGCDs to heal, the playerbase is going to complain about not being able to dps as a healer.

It seems like they went down this rabbit hole and added way too many OGCD healing options for healers due to player demand, and it reached a point where healers are dps 80% of the time, without an interesting dps rotation because they have too many healing & support buttons already.

I come from FFXI during its early era, where healers just healed (occasional Dia & Haste), and struggled to keep up the tank due to how much dmg was incoming vs low healing potency. Then in WoW for the first few xpacs, again, healers primarily healed (sometimes CC) almost non-stop due to high incoming dmg. Started FF14 not long ago, on SCH, I didn't even cast any healing skill until level 41+ dungeons because Fairy auto-heal was enough. Nowadays it's mostly OGCD healing, so I'm spamming Broil unless someone messes up. It doesn't feel like a healer at all, more as a weak dps that heals sometimes.

Is it a problem? Not so much, I still enjoy doing the grp content. But I could see how its a turn off if you had to do this endgame all the time, you sign on to be a healer but end up being a meh dps.

IMO, it should actually be the reverse, healing via GCD and OGCD for team support & dps, with cooldown & charges on abilities to gate-balance how much dps healers should be able to throw out to support the pt.

[Truen]

Just gives back our 4.0 dps kits and I'd be happy. The SCH was awesome, the changes they forced on that job were just confusing. What's wrong with weaving dots to support the party? What was wrong with having 2 different pets with separate roles? What was wrong with shadow flare and bane? Sheesh, Yoshi's pure healing is boring. It was fun balancing heals with dps...I can't stand chain casting Broil

[ZedxKayn]

I have a gut feel that if devs added new content that forces healers to be more busy healing, using both GCD and OGCDs to heal, the playerbase is going to complain about not being able to dps as a healer.

I'm not so sure, healer DPS is put on a pedestal the way that it is right now because even in savage, the frequency at which damage come out is laughable, and doing beeg deeps is the most "stimulating" part of healer gameplay atm.
In ultimate, where GCD heals are much more necessary, spending GCDs on healing rather than DPS and using more of the kit doesn't feel so bad.

But it's ultimate and while frankly I think the damage going out is not hard at all to manage (the "hard" part being as usual, the mechanics), no way the devs would raise the bar for healing requirements above ground.

[Rilifane]

IMO, it should actually be the reverse, healing via GCD and OGCD for team support & dps, with cooldown & charges on abilities to gate-balance how much dps healers should be able to throw out to support the pt.

This only works in games that have
a) significantly more frequent and/ or higher incoming damage
b) the option to chose your party comp without hard or soft restrictions

FFXIV has neither. Damage is infrequent and fairly low even in savage with the exception of the occasional heal check on the last boss and party comps are usually set to 2 tanks/ 2 healers/ 4 dps because of mechanics targeting both healers and tankbusters that need a tank swap.
So having unlimited healing but limited dps is exactly what we should not have. Even in fairly messy runs I spend less than 10% of my GCDs on healing/ ressing, if you flip GCD and oGCDs, I'd spend most of my time picking my nose unless they nerf heal GCDs so hard I need multiple casts for every scratch - which would just replace one 1 button spam with another because of the way how skills are designed.

[Halfgeeek]

...why? Healing has a limit to its usefulness. Damage does not. As currently designed, damage is the thing healers contribute toward their skill ceiling after the healing is settled. If you hardcap that with cooldowns, all you're doing is killing skill expression. What do you do when the healing is over? /dance?

This only works in games that have
a) significantly more frequent and/ or higher incoming damage
b) the option to chose your party comp without hard or soft restrictions

FFXIV has neither. Damage is infrequent and fairly low even in savage with the exception of the occasional heal check on the last boss and party comps are usually set to 2 tanks/ 2 healers/ 4 dps because of mechanics targeting both healers and tankbusters that need a tank swap.
So having unlimited healing but limited dps is exactly what we should not have. Even in fairly messy runs I spend less than 10% of my GCDs on healing/ ressing, if you flip GCD and oGCDs, I'd spend most of my time picking my nose unless they nerf heal GCDs so hard I need multiple casts for every scratch - which would just replace one 1 button spam with another because of the way how skills are designed.

This i agree with, as I said, the devs have gone down this rabbit hole of OGCD healing and their encounter design not requiring constant healing has turned healers into DPS with some heals on the side.

I'm used to MMO healers focus on healing, since the group content in games I have years with, the damage incoming is very high and constant.

Folks here want a more complex dps rotation for healers, because they are forced to be dps most of the time. There's a clear disconnect in the healer design and content that is going to require a total revamp of EVERYTHING if:

1) Making healers have a complex DPS rotation and still able to heal hard content

or

2) Making healers heal the majority of their grp gameplay instead of dpsing

[Semirhage]

IMO, it should actually be the reverse, healing via GCD and OGCD for team support & dps, with cooldown & charges on abilities to gate-balance how much dps healers should be able to throw out to support the pt.

...why? Healing has a limit to its usefulness. Damage does not. As currently designed, damage is the thing healers contribute toward their skill ceiling after the healing is settled. If you hardcap that with cooldowns, all you're doing is killing skill expression. What do you do when the healing is over? /dance?