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[Shougun]

WoW posters always bringing up some random streamer/youtuber always makes me wonder if the threads like this are performative to try and gain brownie points with their internet best friend.

I feel the only one who frequently brings up WoW streamers is MPK for Asmon, for the chuckles they get from others xD. Maybe I ignore most of the threads that bring up wow streamers but Bellular's first time, was here. . Also I've brought up WoW a number of times (and other MMOs, GW, SWTOR, LOTRO, EQ, Wildstar, Rift, etc), and never brought up streamers/youtubers (only mentioned bellular as someone had already made him part conversation, not my doing bringing him up).

[Y2K21]

As a wow vet from way back in vanilla I'll be honest. Wow is in an extremely depressing state atm, and most wow players are just so used to not only mediocrity but being ignored. Something that's completely the opposite of how ffxiv is.

Tbh I don't think asmon would ever play ffxiv. But as for bellular he would probably enjoy it. Let's say he did have a negative experience. Though I doubt it would all be negative for him, its not ALL bad that he reaches a large audience. He's a pretty chill guy and is pretty rational in most of his videos, and while I don't think ffxiv needs him new content creators with established and large audiences is nothing but a good thing for ffxiv.

But considering that square ACTUALLY listens to its players feed back, along with the devs actually playing the game, I just really don't see bellular not enjoying it. Especially when u look at the train wreck that is SL 9.1. God it looks awful and the jailer is just a boring bad guy.

The issue with Belullar is that if you look at his videos and his Twitter timeline -- all I would understand is the man is more focused on WoW content than he is with FF14 because a lot of eyes come to him from that.

Other than that -- SL suffers the problem of "new villain, quick development". Jailer isnt threatening because hes essentially an unknown powerhouse that has Sylvanas tacked onto him to give legitimacy.

I feel the only one who frequently brings up WoW streamers is MPK for Asmon.

Actually Asmon does get flooded with requests by his fans to play the game -- you see it a lot on his streams and his twitter when he talks about the game. Its to the point of when Zach brings up FF14 -- you will have the FF14 Youtube community make videos about it blatantly telling him to play it.

[Shougun]

Actually Asmon does get flooded with requests by his fans to play the game -- you see it a lot on his streams and his twitter when he talks about the game. Its to the point of when Zach brings up FF14 -- you will have the FF14 Youtube community make videos about it blatantly telling him to play it.

Oh is that what Fawkes meant? That'd make more sense then, I was thinking specifically only these forums and I felt relatively no, even when people mention WoW I don't often see a streamer associated with the game (I mean I see WoW mentioned a lot as a measuring stick, but not so much WoW & Streamer).

Bit scary for WoW though if many top content creators are being told to go play another game lol. Although also annoying as the content creator if you're like "no I like this game, not that one, staaaph". I'm sure that could be aggravating.

[Y2K21]

Bit scary for WoW though if many top content creators are being told to go play another game lol.

Why? People can play other games and be fine. For instance, a lot of LoL streamers went to play Dying Light 2 and that doesnt necessarily mean that Lol is dying. I think you have people pressuring him and clamoring him for him to play it as streamer validation of their pasttime.

Nothing more, nothing less. Its why no one really cares if Asmongold decides to stream AoC when it comes out -- because we know hes going to try out other things he is interested in but will mainly stay with what his audience primarily enjoys (WoW).

It also probably doesnt help that FF14 streaming community is very low also - hell, FF14 rarely cracks above 10k viewers on Twitch. Heck, PinkWardLoL streams FF14 to less than 100 people when his League streams go up to 1-2k viewers.

[Shougun]

Why?

People can play other games, but WoW and FFXIV are, if not in similar beds (FFXIV is on the right side of the bed ), in similar rooms at least- WoW vs AoC is quite different than WoW vs FFXIV, especially say WoW vs Dying Light or whatever. It's true one could be playing both, and enjoy both, some forum posters here have done as much, but given a content creator dedicating their time to a specific game it's relatively safe to assume that people are pushing for WoW streamers to switch entirely. This is scary, maybe not 'terrifying', in the sense that a influencers are being asked to play another content which acts as noise not for their game and rather another, even if the streamer chooses not to, it also could be not great for FFXIV if these people are making FFXIV look bad while doing it. Overall it could just be not great lol.

Yes I agree people can split time, but if a youtber who has a set schedule that normally posts specifically 90% WoW videos is being asked to switch I think it's quite likely / expected that players are asking for, and envisioning, a full stop switch over (especially in the context of these content creators who complain about WoW frequently, and more than in the past). It's some creators saying "parts of this ship are aflame" and a bunch of viewers saying "JUMP SHIP, DO IIITT". I really don't think that's the ideal PR situation you'd want for your game lol, and that's why I said bit scary ("bit scary", doesn't read as world ending, as I tend not to speak like that in general, but as in "not the ideal situation if you were PR management for WoW" and potentially for FFXIV if the people doing it are like "SWITCH OR YOU'RE UGLY AND I FIND YOUR CAT" . .. . . XD). Like I said though I don't spend particularly much time around the youtube comments/streamer, so I'm just assuming potential realities given the fact you suggested that it's not these forums particularly as much as it's content creators being flagged by viewers.

[Y2K21]

People can play other games, but WoW and FFXIV are, if not in similar beds, in similar rooms- WoW vs AoC is quite different than WoW vs FFXIV, especially say WoW vs Dying Light or whatever. It's true one could be playing both, and enjoy both, some forum posters here have done as much, but given a content creator dedicating their time to a specific game it's relatively safe to assume that people are pushing for WoW streamers to switch entirely. This is scary, maybe not 'terrifying', in the sense that a influencers are being asked to play another content which acts as noise not for their game and rather another, even if the streamer chooses not to, it also could be not great for FFXIV if these people are making FFXIV look bad while doing it. Overall it could just be not great lol.

Yes I agree people can split time, but if a youtber who has a set schedule that normally posts specifically 90% WoW videos is being asked to switch I think it's quite likely / expected that players are asking for, and envisioning, a full stop switch over (especially in the context of these content creators who complain about WoW frequently, and more than in the past). It's some creators saying "parts of this ship are aflame" and a bunch of viewers saying "JUMP SHIP, DO IIITT". I really don't think that's the ideal PR situation you'd want for your game lol.

Not necessarily -- as I said the FF14 YouTube and Twitch communities are tiny. It wouldnt make sense from a monetary aspect to fully jump ship or else you would cut your profit intake.

Like I use the PinkWardLoL example -- hes streaming FF14 for only 86 people, when his LoL streamers are much, much larger.

[Shougun]

Not necessarily -- as I said the FF14 YouTube and Twitch communities are tiny. It wouldnt make sense from a monetary aspect to fully jump ship or else you would cut your profit intake.

Like I use the PinkWardLoL example -- hes streaming FF14 for only 86 people, when his LoL streamers are much, much larger.

Well I was speaking from the viewer perspective, of course as a content producer you've to decide what gets you the bed to sleep on at night. It's quite possible you can get cornered into a particular content, and you've to make losses or just grind out the same stuff over and over lol.

[Penthea]

I'm glad you understand that the hairstyles are not on top of the list. However, there are quite a few who think other wise and rant about it. You are one of the few who understand this. I'd figured I would get the usual responses.

You misunderstand. Most of us do know this. Our problem is the utter silence on the topic. SE told us at the start of Shadowbringers that viera would get new hair. That's almost two years ago now and not a peep since. We understand that hairstyles are not the most important content in the game and that the pandemic has brought on significant difficulties for SE. However neither explain how the pre-ShB races got 10 new hairstyles in ShB alone while viera got literally zero. We are not expecting new hair tomorrow followed by a huge pile of hats. But we expected to get some manner of statement about the hair situation by now. Even just a few words like "it's coming, you're not forgotten" would do a lot to quell the disappointment that we have.

Also I only mention viera hair because that is the only race SE referred to when he said the new races would get new hair. I of course 100% support hrothgar hair getting sorted. Their situation is actually worse than viera.

I also have huge problems with the housing situation in this game. I understand it's a very time consuming and complicated issue to fix but it doesn't make it any less bad especially given that other games with a far smaller budget manage to provide housing for every single player with ease. However unlike viera hair SE never said they would provide instanced housing for us so at least they have not been misleading with this issue.

While the above issues are very frustrating to me, this pales in comparison to the gigantic list of issues I had with WoW that only grew as time passed. Aside from the above issues I otherwise very much enjoy FFXIV. It is actually the quality of this game that helped me to finally leave WoW behind. For so long I clung to the nostalgia of better times in WoW hoping the decision makers of that game would wake up. It was so hard to quit, but experiencing FFXIV made me realise that the mmo experience I wanted already existed...just not in WoW.

I don't think everything about WoW is terrible, some things are great but for me not enough of it is for me to be able to be happy in that game. I don't begrudge those who still enjoy it, I'm glad that they still do. Good for them if they find it fun! It just so happens that what I want from a mmo is long gone from WoW and it isn't going to come back. I'm glad that FFXIV opened my eyes to this because now I'm happier in this game than I have ever been in any mmo. I have my criticisms for this game but for the most part I think it's bloody amazing.

I do want WoW to improve but I think things are going to get worse before they will get better. We shall see what the future brings.

[Silpher]

It was so hard to quit, but experiencing FFXIV made me realise that the mmo experience I wanted already existed...just not in WoW.

I don't think everything about WoW is terrible, some things are great but for me not enough of it is for me to be able to be happy in that game. I don't begrudge those who still enjoy it, I'm glad that they still do. Good for them if they find it fun! It just so happens that what I want from a mmo is long gone from WoW and it isn't going to come back. I'm glad that FFXIV opened my eyes to this because now I'm happier in this game than I have ever been in any mmo. I have my criticisms for this game but for the most part I think it's bloody amazing.

I do want WoW to improve but I think things are going to get worse before they will get better. We shall see what the future brings.

Amen to this homie. Biggest part of wow I miss isn't the game though, it's my guild. Some awesome people in there. Yet while I love them it's just not enough. I stayed in wow BFA-SL solely because I enjoyed the people but it was time to accept that the wow I loved has been long dead and it isn't coming back. Sad but true. Meanwhile ffxiv is just so damn good it's crazy. From story to characters, YOU are the pillar if this MMO. YOUR character matters. It's just so different from how wow is. God ffxiv is amazing!

[Puremallace]

I feel the only one who frequently brings up WoW streamers is MPK for Asmon, for the chuckles they get from others xD. Maybe I ignore most of the threads that bring up wow streamers but Bellular's first time, was here. . Also I've brought up WoW a number of times (and other MMOs, GW, SWTOR, LOTRO, EQ, Wildstar, Rift, etc), and never brought up streamers/youtubers (only mentioned bellular as someone had already made him part conversation, not my doing bringing him up).

I think you are seeing more of it for multiple reason.

1. Butterfinger literally paid Twitch streamers to sponsor FF14
2. I think Square Enix reached out to others to have them plan. Annie Fuschia for example is doing the MSQ and playing even after her sponsor time was over
3. You see Asmongold a lot because he keep pretending like their is a chance he will actually play when anyone who knows the guy realizes that will never happen.
4. WoW is going through a content drought right now that makes previous ones look good. It is really bad how much they are having to redesign core systems that are just busted.