Relo mechanics are Cancer

[Almagnus1]

I mean, I suggested we make housing prices what they used to be. 40 mil smalls, 200m meds, 500m larges. This would be a gil sink of over 30 billion gear a year. Every response was "well then everyone will RMT for housing." So I imagine your auction suggestion will face similar "RMT bait" criticism.

I prefer these larger but fixed prices to your auction idea, since the auction would mean some would get very inexpensive housing and others would pay a great deal. But I do agree a gil sink would be helpful.

The main idea I'm looking at is how it would be possible to allow for someone other than whomever got there first (or relo'd there first) to have a shot at getting the house.

Once we're at a point where there's a different housing reassignment (be it an auction, raffle, or whatever) and a mechanic that allows for discoverability so a third party is able to disrupt a house flip, then its possible to get rid of the timer and let the market sort itself out.

While RMT is a concern, that may be mitigated by SE creating some sort of time token that is sellable on the market (so players can hoard those instead of gil and also convert gil into subscription time).

[Catstab]

The main idea I'm looking at is how it would be possible to allow for someone other than whomever got there first (or relo'd there first) to have a shot at getting the house

I don't think this is the proper approach. I think the timer is a bad idea, and has done a lot of damage to a lot of peoples play experiences. I do not think expanding on this "hurry up and wait" style is an idea deserving of any merit.

I think that people sweeping the wards for open houses should be rewarded by getting their pick of the openings, so long as they can afford them. If the open mansion is 500 mil, it's not the first person to get there. It's the first person to get there with 500 mil. IE a large, active, deserving FC or highly enterprising player who was checking hourly for a house.

[Catstab]

remove the relo mechanic from the game and force people that want to move to release the old house and fight for the new one

<Forcing relocators to repeat their camps> is NOT the answer.

No, <relocation> doesn't [need removal].

Relocation isn't bad.

The relocation mechanism as a whole is a QoL improvement

... you completely missed the point XD

Who is really missing the point here, Magnus?

Everyone: relocation is good, it helps people find their dream homes securely, and helps FCs.

You: Relocation is awful, the timer needs to impact more people more severely.

You call me a hypocrite and yet I push consistently for people to keep things that they have earned through gameplay (alt houses, relocation privilege), while still wanting campers to have the best experience possible.

Your suggestions all center around taking earned advantages and QoL features away, damaging the gaming experience for everyone, so that no player gets ahead of another in progression.

[Almagnus1]

Who is really missing the point here, Magnus?

Everyone: relocation is good, it helps people find their dream homes securely, and helps FCs.

You: Relocation is awful, the timer needs to impact more people more severely.

You call me a hypocrite and yet I push consistently for people to keep things that they have earned through gameplay (alt houses, relocation privilege), while still wanting campers to have the best experience possible.

Your suggestions all center around taking earned advantages and QoL features away, damaging the gaming experience for everyone, so that no player gets ahead of another in progression.

And you prove that (yet again) you missed the point.

[MilkieTea]

And you prove that (yet again) you missed the point.

Alright, can you ELI5 this? What's the point? In clear, simple, no nonsense terms, what's the point?

[Almagnus1]

Alright, can you ELI5 this? What's the point? In clear, simple, no nonsense terms, what's the point?

Relocation (as it currently stands now) causes problems, and we're going to see that with the Ishgardian housing not from the initial wave of houses being open, but from the second wave where people relo into Ishgard. That's also going to be the same thing we'll see to a lesser extent with the Oceanic servers opening, as both the second wave of housing from Ishgard's relos and the Oceanic server transfers are going to put a whole bunch of properties up for sale in the other wards - and those properties are going to give relos an advantage whereas the first time buyers are going to get screwed over again like what we saw with the recent re-enabling of the demolish timer.

Following from all of this, SE should add some mechanic that puts the relos and first time buyers on equal footing, not give an advantage to the relos. IMO if SE can come up with a mechanic (be it a raffle, house auction, or something else) that allows for the house to be assigned fairly and have a window that people can sign up to have a chance at getting the house (whether it's through RNG or whoever horks up the most gil) and the mechanic is done in such a way that it makes a transfer of a house from one party to another extremely unlikely (which would completely halt house flipping), that means we have a realistic chance of getting rid of the infernal timer as there will be a better solution in place.

The point then, is acknowledging the problem exists, and once it is acknowledged, coming up with a solution so that SE can work with it.

[MilkieTea]

Relocation (as it currently stands now) causes problems, and we're going to see that with the Ishgardian housing not from the initial wave of houses being open, but from the second wave where people relo into Ishgard. That's also going to be the same thing we'll see to a lesser extent with the Oceanic servers opening, as both the second wave of housing from Ishgard's relos and the Oceanic server transfers are going to put a whole bunch of properties up for sale in the other wards - and those properties are going to give relos an advantage whereas the first time buyers are going to get screwed over again like what we saw with the recent re-enabling of the demolish timer.

Following from all of this, SE should add some mechanic that puts the relos and first time buyers on equal footing, not give an advantage to the relos. IMO if SE can come up with a mechanic (be it a raffle, house auction, or something else) that allows for the house to be assigned fairly and have a window that people can sign up to have a chance at getting the house (whether it's through RNG or whoever horks up the most gil) and the mechanic is done in such a way that it makes a transfer of a house from one party to another extremely unlikely (which would completely halt house flipping), that means we have a realistic chance of getting rid of the infernal timer as there will be a better solution in place.

The point then, is acknowledging the problem exists, and once it is acknowledged, coming up with a solution so that SE can work with it.

Would you, say, happen to agree with putting relos on a timer? a different timer to the regular house one (to avoid relo flipping, which is a big thing and probably where a majority of relocation "snipping" is coming from. They're not snipping, they probably bought it for 200mil to get the person to relinquish.) As it is, the timer exists to prevent house flipping. I don't agree with getting rid of it.

[Catstab]

And you prove that (yet again) you missed the point.

Your point is just plain wrong, though. Relocation is fine as is. It's the timer in general that is cancer. But I don't blame you for conflating the two and not being sure which is the problem.

Relocation should go away, yes - but not as a feature. Relocation should be made obsolete by removing the random timer. Replace the timer with:

A. Houses cost 50-500 million so new players are no longer shopping
B. Housing only for level 80s so new players are no longer shopping
C. Server population caps (not happening)
D. Instanced housing (not happening)

So stop suggesting things like "lets take the one good thing in housing and make it bad, so housing experiences are universally bad for everyone"

[Almagnus1]

Your point is just plain wrong, though. Relocation is fine as is. It's the timer in general that is cancer. But I don't blame you for conflating the two and not being sure which is the problem.

Relocation should go away, yes - but not as a feature. Relocation should be made obsolete by removing the random timer. Replace the timer with:

A. Houses cost 50-500 million so new players are no longer shopping
B. Housing only for level 80s so new players are no longer shopping
C. Server population caps (not happening)
D. Instanced housing (not happening)

So stop suggesting things like "lets take the one good thing in housing and make it bad, so housing experiences are universally bad for everyone"

Ok Don Quixote, keep fighting those windmills and let me know once you have finally slain one.

[Catstab]

<Literary references coupled with ignoring the fact that everyone agrees relocation is fine and this suggestion is foolish>

Sorry, I guess my argument confused you, since you just posted a block of spam instead of a response. Can I clarify any points for you, or are you finished with this thread?