Healers Angry when PLD Clemencies

[Hycinthus]

"You know you dont need to heal me, i got it"
"Why are you healing him just do your own stuff"

Hi all, I am not an expert tank by any means, but I just wanted to discuss or calibrate, is there a Clemency Ethics for PLD?

Are there any times where it's unacceptable to use? Or is it always unacceptable to be used, even that we can tell they are struggling, unless Healers are dead?

Any opinions from healers as well, when do you think it's appropriate to use? What do you think about Clemency in general?

It's not a bait guys, I am just trying to be better at my role, and will take any input. Thanks!

[DragonFlyy]

SCH Main and my Wife is a PLD. She uses it whenever she can to help when needed, even in raids. Use it when you think it's needed, and if anyone complains, ignore them. It's in your toolkit, use it.

[MPK]

Clemency is only used in this game to BM your healers or if your healer is dead and you need to solo a boss or something.

[kaynide]

Use it if you want to use it. If the Pld self self heals, the healer can just do more DPS, no?

I don’t know the numbers for peak performance, surely someone does know who puts out more dps between the two...but outside of that endgame situation, who cares?

Moreover, if you decide not to heal and the healer screws up and the party wipes, wouldn’t that be a bigger waste of time than the 3 seconds of lost dps?

Use it! Get comfortable using it! And in certain situations, understand you don’t even need a dedicated healer.

As a PLD when my group does treasure hunts, I AM THE HEALER
(We roll Pld Drk Brd Rdm Sam)

[SturmChurro]

Use it if you want to use it. If the Pld self self heals, the healer can just do more DPS, no?

You'd think that. However, I've seen a lot of PLD who start using it for the rest of runs at about 70% health. Stating it's because they "aren't getting healed" - actually no, they aren't getting overhealed. So, I have seen some PLD complain for the rest of runs about "lack of heals", but if they are just going to use clemency - why do they need to be healed? It's a lose lose situation for you as a healer, no matter what. Some tanks actually just want to be at 100% HP at all times. I've seen many PLD use clemency for that purpose.

[Iscah]

It can be frustrating if the paladin's idea of when they need to use it overlaps with your idea of "not 100% HP but comfortable" so they're casting it before you ever get to heal them.

But in other cases it can be helpful if things have gotten messy and you're scrambling to heal them enough.

[TroySoFab]

How much are you using it? If you are just trying to assist with general heals, don't do that. Clemency is mainly a self heal. Healers have enough in their kit to deal with expected, and unexpected damage.

[Krotoan]

If I see someone just ressed or a healer eats something harsh I can and will throw def buffs and heals. The most "entertaining" stories I have about these are healers then standing in bad to type out scoldings and dying.

People who are interested in clearing stuff won't care and some will even thank you. It's not strictly optimal but unless you're running bleeding edge savage stuff one cooldown isn't going to make or break and to be totally fair PLDs rotation while tanking is pretty boring (though I'm probably doing it wrong).

If it's in your kit, use it as you see fit. MOST people appreciate someone using their entire potential instead of nose to the grindstone rotation.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Clememecy

General rule is: if you think that cast will prevent situation to go south (i.e. you will die and mobs mow your party alive), by all means -use it-.

This of course requires a bit knowledge on how each healers do their job. You are generally ‘safe’ as long as your HP is only treading anywhere down to 20%. Below that you may want to start asking the question: cast or nah. Then again, the worst that could happen is only a wipe in times of misjudgment. Beyond that point, healers tend to be more lenient with your Clemency usage.

If the healer took that as an offense, then that’s on them. Honestly it doesn’t took much effort to reassure you (the tank) that your life is safe in their hands in chat. This is what I did to random DF tanks & 9 out of 10 time they would start Holy Spirit/Circling away like nuts afterward, it’s satisfying.

[kaynide]

You'd think that. However, I've seen a lot of PLD who start using it for the rest of runs at about 70% health. Stating it's because they "aren't getting healed" - actually no, they aren't getting overhealed. So, I have seen some PLD complain for the rest of runs about "lack of heals", but if they are just going to use clemency - why do they need to be healed? It's a lose lose situation for you as a healer, no matter what. Some tanks actually just want to be at 100% HP at all times. I've seen many PLD use clemency for that purpose.

I mean, in a casual, non endgame raid perspective, does that really matter as long as the content is cleared in a reasonable amount of time? If the time in dungeon is getting bogged down because of overhealing, isn’t that more of a problem of the 2 DPS players’ damage output?

Peak vs competitent-but-casual we aren’t seeing a wipe-vs-success situation, but a few minutes of time shaved.