GNB Mit

[ReiMakoto]

Yeah, this is sort of why I made this thread. I can tank paradigm and 8 man's without really feeling like I'm taking dmg but you do a gauntlet or something and you're popping everything constantly and picking your teeth up afterwards. I would like to see HoS last for at least 10 seconds, remove aurora (because the hot tick is ridiculously small when I'm running around with 208k) and see a beefier camouflage. Keep the parry and make it 20% dmg reduction.

Aurora is a minimum 60k+ heal in good gear, more with crits. It is the equivalent or wars equilibrium in healing, its not a small amount. Making camo have that change you suggested would make camo way too strong, it'd be stronger than rampart even though it is bonus mitigation. You should always be cycling your cooldowns in dungeons anyway, and if you have 200k health your gear is good enough that if you mitigate properly you should barely need healing in dungeons anyway.

[Hierro]

Bro, aurora sucks. Period. Equilibrium has the benefit of giving you all the healing when you need it at that very moment. A HoT has to wait to receive it's total benefit. Also, equilibrium can be buffed when used with ToB.

Point being, I wouldn't even say Equilibrium is great healing on it's own, let alone aurora.

[Launched]

Bro, aurora sucks. Period. Equilibrium has the benefit of giving you all the healing when you need it at that very moment. A HoT has to wait to receive it's total benefit. Also, equilibrium can be buffed when used with ToB.

They're different skills. Regens aren't bad, you don't have to wait until you're low on HP to use Aurora. Use it when you're high on HP or early in a pull and it's just as good because it smooths out incoming damage. Plus it can be used on other party members.
Thrill isn't up for every Equilibrium.

Point being, I wouldn't even say Equilibrium is great healing on it's own, let alone aurora.

Well, you'd be wrong. It all adds up to reduce healer GCDs spent on healing.

[ReiMakoto]

Bro, aurora sucks. Period. Equilibrium has the benefit of giving you all the healing when you need it at that very moment. A HoT has to wait to receive it's total benefit. Also, equilibrium can be buffed when used with ToB.

Point being, I wouldn't even say Equilibrium is great healing on it's own, let alone aurora.

Aurora only sucks as much as the people using it. Put it another way, lets take that 60k number i mentioned before, that means aurora is essentially "mitigating" 60k worth of damage provided your healers arnt overhealing you like idiots. In order for a rampart to mitigate 60k worth of damage on a 200k hp tank you would need to take 1.5* your healthbar in damage while the 20% mitigation from rampart is up. Outside of some nasty split busters which you arnt invulning for some reason you arnt going to take that much damage. Provided you have a remotely competent healer, its nothing to sniff at, let alone suggest removing like the person i responded to suggested.

[RinaB]

Aurora only sucks as much as the people using it. Put it another way, lets take that 60k number i mentioned before, that means aurora is essentially "mitigating" 60k worth of damage provided your healers arnt overhealing you like idiots. In order for a rampart to mitigate 60k worth of damage on a 200k hp tank you would need to take 1.5* your healthbar in damage while the 20% mitigation from rampart is up. Outside of some nasty split busters which you arnt invulning for some reason you arnt going to take that much damage. Provided you have a remotely competent healer, its nothing to sniff at, let alone suggest removing like the person i responded to suggested.

I will say this from healing many gunbreakers on my WHM alt, aurora is not noticeable and I would gladly see it go away for changes to HoS or Camo.

[Hierro]

Well, you'd be wrong. It all adds up to reduce healer GCDs spent on healing.

Me? Wrong? Impossible.

Anyways, not really. WAR gets so much healing from NF, I could go with or without it and not feel much a difference. Its good because by the time I used it, things are mostly dead and the healing feels more notable then. You cannot say that about aurora.

[Jandor]

Gunbreaker feels fine to me & Aurora is good.

Would be nice if Heart could transfer your Aurora as well as your Brutal Shell. Dodge instead of parry on camouflage would be nice too, and probably fit better with a skill called camouflage.

[Vyrerus]

Nah, keep the parry rate on camouflage. Evade rate is useless on bosses, normally. Evade could be good during magic pulls, but camo already gives -10% dmg taken anyway.

The only reason GNB's mit feels weak is because its invuln has an opportunity cost, and most people don't understand how regens are supposed to be used.

It's not talked about much, because it's far from ideal, but Brutal Shell being on the second hit of the standard combo actually lets GNB heal itself every other GCD if you really need to heal. Like it sucks, but I've won fights that way when the healer goes down. Pop Aurora on the DPS that either needs it or I suspect will not get hit to make it worthwhile, and then Keen > Brutal spam.

Also, Heart of Stone is better than Sheltron by a country mile, because you can apply it to other people, and it takes your Brutal Shell and puts it onto them as well. Like, sure, PLD has other skills in place that share the same resource as Sheltron, but one's on a long cooldown, and the other needs the PLD to have another CD up to really make ends meet.

I generally prefer other tanks for dungeons though, because GNB's AOE rotation is boring AF, and I prefer the gameplay of the other tanks. HoH has me burnt out on feeling great when doing the Continuation combo, but it's still cool AF. Though in some cases the shield from Brutal Shell is really really nice, especially when it prevents a damage based knockback by itself.

[RinaB]

Non food buffed with 2649 tenacity, aurora is ticking between 6800 and 11k. It ticks 5 times so you're looking at about 60k over 18 seconds. Will it keep you up? Nope. Will it save your healers mana? Nope. Will it give you survivability on a group pull? Nope because everyone is hitting you harder then it ticks for and faster. It's shit and I'd rather have a beefier camo.

[Hierro]

Non food buffed with 2649 tenacity, aurora is ticking between 6800 and 11k. It ticks 5 times so you're looking at about 60k over 18 seconds. Will it keep you up? Nope. Will it save your healers mana? Nope. Will it give you survivability on a group pull? Nope because everyone is hitting you harder then it ticks for and faster. It's shit and I'd rather have a beefier camo.

Nah bro you're clearly mistaken, these armchair experts obviously know more about the tanks you healed or the jobs I've tanked as. 60k so significant brah, look, it's 60k, what do you mean you're not wowwed by that amount? That's like 27% of my hp brah, so much HP wow! If we do not like it, well, that speaks more to our incompetence in casual dungeon content cause we clearly don't know how to use our cool downs.




Get real, guys. You're not fooling anyone but yourselves.