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    Quote Originally Posted by RinaB View Post
    Non food buffed with 2649 tenacity, aurora is ticking between 6800 and 11k. It ticks 5 times so you're looking at about 60k over 18 seconds. Will it keep you up? Nope. Will it save your healers mana? Nope. Will it give you survivability on a group pull? Nope because everyone is hitting you harder then it ticks for and faster. It's shit and I'd rather have a beefier camo.
    Nah bro you're clearly mistaken, these armchair experts obviously know more about the tanks you healed or the jobs I've tanked as. 60k so significant brah, look, it's 60k, what do you mean you're not wowwed by that amount? That's like 27% of my hp brah, so much HP wow! If we do not like it, well, that speaks more to our incompetence in casual dungeon content cause we clearly don't know how to use our cool downs.




    Get real, guys. You're not fooling anyone but yourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hierro View Post
    Nah bro you're clearly mistaken, these armchair experts obviously know more about the tanks you healed or the jobs I've tanked as. 60k so significant brah, look, it's 60k, what do you mean you're not wowwed by that amount? That's like 27% of my hp brah, so much HP wow! If we do not like it, well, that speaks more to our incompetence in casual dungeon content cause we clearly don't know how to use our cool downs.




    Get real, guys. You're not fooling anyone but yourselves.
    I get the argument that the amount it heals in the duration of xyz content is significant but what's funny is that number at the end of xyz content compared to healer output and heals received would actually show everyone how terrible it is.
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    You guys make a really compelling argument at making sure nobody wants to listen to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalaam View Post
    You guys make a really compelling argument at making sure nobody wants to listen to you.
    Then don't. Enjoy your aurora and 60k total hp healed, while I'll be enjoying my spammable shield and on demand bene. Hell, paladin even has the superior invuln and clemency should they desire it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hierro View Post
    Then don't. Enjoy your aurora and 60k total hp healed, while I'll be enjoying my spammable shield and on demand bene. Hell, paladin even has the superior invuln and clemency should they desire it.
    It's all about balance. If Aurora is bad, it can be buffed.
    I often was happy to have it in overworld and frontline stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalaam View Post
    It's all about balance. If Aurora is bad, it can be buffed.
    I often was happy to have it in overworld and frontline stuff.
    The only tanks ever getting buffed mid-expansion are Warrior.
    PLD gets all the TLC it needs on launch, GNB gets its blade dulled, and DRK gets another rotten tomato thrown at it.
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    Alright then.
    So what do we do ? What do we discuss ?
    Go on, say something that isn't "everything is terrible. The devs don't listen to us. They always play favorite. No use talking".
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    I don't know why you guys keep saying "60k".

    It's only 60k if every tick of it crits.

    The reason aurora is "bad" is because HoTs, and DoTs, exist to be higher return but over longer duration.

    Aurora isn't stronger than anything other than small-pack Abyssal Drain. It's equal to equilibrium, but part and parcels over 18s.

    No one would say "Regen is good" if it was 700 instead of 1200.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    I don't know why you guys keep saying "60k".

    It's only 60k if every tick of it crits.

    The reason aurora is "bad" is because HoTs, and DoTs, exist to be higher return but over longer duration.

    Aurora isn't stronger than anything other than small-pack Abyssal Drain. It's equal to equilibrium, but part and parcels over 18s.

    No one would say "Regen is good" if it was 700 instead of 1200.
    I agree with your reasoning if we were talking about GCD HoTs, they need to be higher potency than other options to justify their existance, when it comes to oGCD hots though I disagree, theyre essentially free at that point with only the caveat that they dont heal immediatly. If regen was 700 instead of 1200, but it was an off global people would say its good cos its free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    I agree with your reasoning if we were talking about GCD HoTs, they need to be higher potency than other options to justify their existance, when it comes to oGCD hots though I disagree, theyre essentially free at that point with only the caveat that they dont heal immediatly. If regen was 700 instead of 1200, but it was an off global people would say its good cos its free.
    Except if Regen was OGCD, then so would be cure.

    The cost is equivalent to other healing abilities - OGCD and 60s.

    Instant return always beats return over time, and this is why return over time is tuned to higher total sums, because it has to be. Aurora would be better if it was instant return and the same strength.

    Aurora is serviceable, but so is One Nuke + One DoT.

    Here are some examples of more thematic and/or better Auroras

    a 1200 Potency shield.

    600 heal / 600 potency shield

    1800 potency HoT

    For 18 seconds, a portion of all damage dealt is stored. at the end of 18 seconds or upon reactivation, heal for that amount.

    "---------------. ---- shield for that amount."
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    Last edited by Kabooa; 05-30-2021 at 04:57 AM.

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