Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

**Cilia** · 06-08-2021 01:35 PM

Sundered beings have shown they have both ingenuity (in Bad Future Cid's invention of interdimensional time travel) and valor (the PC and Ryne triumphing over the Fatebreaker, a primal incarnation of the latter's worst fears akin to a specially targeted Terminus beast) unsundered beings lacked. It could be argued that every time a sundered being triumphs over their fears they prove themselves capable of something unsundered beings aren't. (Mitron in particular shows great consternation with "imperfect beings" triumphing where unsundered beings failed.)

Whether or not the interdimensional time travel was derived from "artificial" sources is irrelevant - a sundered being accomplished what was deemed impossible.

Yes, thank you, part of Emet-Selch and Elidibus' dying words are acknowledgement they have strayed and their battle was already lost, respectively.

I'm fine with "it's a matter of perspective," but if that's the case there's no point in discussing or arguing about it because people simply won't see eye to eye. Therefore there is no need to knee-jerk respond to people denouncing the ~~villains'~~ antagonists' actions with a lecture on why their point of view is wrong or incorrect, regardless of their stated reasons; therefore there is no point in posting page-long diatribes in a vain attempt to sway anyone to your point of view (which is why I refrain from doing so).

**Riastrad** · 06-08-2021 03:36 PM

Funny enough, Yoshida gave an interview to Steven Messner of PC Gamer last month after Fan Fest. Time travel might be back on the menu Ladies and Gentlemen.

"With the 10 year-plus history, we were able to tie up a lot of loose ends and with the climax there will be more questions that are answered and people will understand the reasoning behind a lot of things that have been present throughout the story," Yoshida told me. "With that being said, there are areas within planet Hydaelyn where we haven't explored yet. There are continents that have yet to be discovered, areas that have yet to be explored. There's possibilities there. And with the story of Shadowbringers, we learned that the Crystal Tower acts as a portal not just to the distant Realms, including The First and those that have been divided by the Sundered, but it can also allow us to travel in time as well so we can go back to the past and future as well. So there's still a lot of possibilities left."

https://www.pcgamer.com/final-fantas...ter-endwalker/

Didn't we just feed a certain crystalline tower an ancient soul brimming with power? Hmmm...

**Iscah** · 06-08-2021 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

They retroactively proved with Lahabrea, that the Ancients could go mad, while it was partly due to his body hopping

Did Emet outright say Lahabrea went mad? I don't recall him saying that, just that switching bodies took some kind of toll on his strength.

Originally Posted by RobinMalvin

The Ancient didn't seem to be unaware of time magic, with Gaia being primary example.

Gaia's time-slowing magic isn't the same thing as time-travelling magic though, unless you could somehow apply enough of it that time slows "into reverse" or something.

Originally Posted by Riastrad

Funny enough, Yoshida gave an interview to Steven Messner of PC Gamer last month after Fan Fest. Time travel might be back on the menu Ladies and Gentlemen.

Uh... I really hope that's the sort of idea that he's just thrown up randomly without consulting the lore team about its actual plausibility.

Though I think we should be safe for future-travel without risking irreversible damage to the space-time continuum. The past, well, we've done it with Alexander so that's not impossible either, but I just don't think I want another time loop plot at this point.

**Riastrad** · 06-08-2021 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Iscah

Uh... I really hope that's the sort of idea that he's just thrown up randomly without consulting the lore team about its actual plausibility.

Though I think we should be safe for future-travel without risking irreversible damage to the space-time continuum. The past, well, we've done it with Alexander so that's not impossible either, but I just don't think I want another time loop plot at this point.

Well it is certainly an option either way. New timeline Nero already caught wind of it and joined back up with the Ironworks to pester Cid about it (along with helping find the cure to tempering). And while not confirmed just yet, opens the door to a lot of my personal head cannon theories.

Just an example ruined by the pandemic: The meaning behind a certain lyric in Locus- a theme reused for The Twinning.

Seven two three two three...<send>

Now it was mentioned by Koji Fox that it was just a random line that he felt clicked and was catchy. In my dumb brain, I read it as a date. 7/23/23. A possible pre-pandemic 7.0 launch day. With Alexander being time travel central, I wondered if it was a major clue as to the nature of the hypothesized expansions story.

Doubtful if anything else is behind it. Just one of a bunch of long shot "what ifs" that I have. Again, ruined by the pandemic. Or is it....

**Iscah** · 06-08-2021 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Erendis

Well, while traveling back we could be in Mide kind of situation. Where today exists because we went to the past.

Certainly that would be the route to take if we did any travel to the past: have our historians identify a patch of history where there are no clear records of what happened, so you can't accidentally contradict facts known in the present.

I'm just not sure that I want to see the story go there, and especially after they made a big deal of just how difficult it was to achieve the first time - and the commitment required of G'raha, besides.

Originally Posted by Riastrad

The meaning behind a certain lyric in Locus- a theme reused for The Twinning.

Seven two three two three...<send>

The very boring answer is that 7-3-2 is the access code for the Gordias entry hatch, though you can still debate the significance of that.

**YianKutku** · 06-08-2021 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Iscah

Certainly that would be the route to take if we did any travel to the past: have our historians identify a patch of history where there are no clear records of what happened, so you can't accidentally contradict facts known in the present.

The Fourth Astral Era is famously bare of history, allegedly due to the anti-intellectualism after the fall of the Allagan Empire. I admit it would be a massive troll if the story does go there and have us "fix" history during that time, since as far as I can tell nothing interesting actually happened, other than the common Eorzean alphabet being standardized. (The Miqo'te migration happened afterwards, in the Fifth Umbral Era.)

**BlitzAceRush** · 06-09-2021 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Iscah

Did Emet outright say Lahabrea went mad? I don't recall him saying that, just that switching bodies took some kind of toll on his strength.

Gaia's time-slowing magic isn't the same thing as time-travelling magic though, unless you could somehow apply enough of it that time slows "into reverse" or something.

Uh... I really hope that's the sort of idea that he's just thrown up randomly without consulting the lore team about its actual plausibility.

Though I think we should be safe for future-travel without risking irreversible damage to the space-time continuum. The past, well, we've done it with Alexander so that's not impossible either, but I just don't think I want another time loop plot at this point.

From Emet if you talk to him in-between quests:
"I took over a suitable stranger in this world, and reshaped them into this form that I am most familiar with. In contrast, Lahabrea, before he met his end at your hands, never really took the time to familiarize himself much with his vessels. Really… with how often he switched forms, it’s no surprise that his very self ended up eroding away..."
While I doubt back then they had much idea where the Ascians would end up, they've retroactively explained Lahabreas diminished power and "differing" shall we say personality and ideals to the other unsundered.

**YianKutku** · 06-09-2021 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

From Emet if you talk to him in-between quests:
"I took over a suitable stranger in this world, and reshaped them into this form that I am most familiar with. In contrast, Lahabrea, before he met his end at your hands, never really took the time to familiarize himself much with his vessels. Really… with how often he switched forms, it’s no surprise that his very self ended up eroding away..."
While I doubt back then they had much idea where the Ascians would end up, they've retroactively explained Lahabreas diminished power and "differing" shall we say personality and ideals to the other unsundered.

I'm still kind of unsure why, if Lahabrea is known to be so unstable and weak and completely out of it, the Ascians still gave him Igeyorhm to supervise in Heavensward.

**Vyrerus** · 06-09-2021 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by YianKutku

I'm still kind of unsure why, if Lahabrea is known to be so unstable and weak and completely out of it, the Ascians still gave him Igeyorhm to supervise in Heavensward.

Maybe they had what was needed to make Ascian Prime, and the other Ascians were incompatible with Lahabrea. Also though, Igeyorhm maybe asked to help out, since Lahabrea failed when trying things on his own with a few black masks for minion grunt work.

**BlitzAceRush** · 06-09-2021 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by YianKutku

I'm still kind of unsure why, if Lahabrea is known to be so unstable and weak and completely out of it, the Ascians still gave him Igeyorhm to supervise in Heavensward.

Ignoring that they're trying to fill in the problems backwards, in lore I think it's willing blindness, Emet, while he acknowledges Lahabrea's decline, he is one of only two other people remaining of the world he knew, he doesn't want to accept that one of the only remaining pieces of that life, the dream they're trying to reforge is fading away from him, because, really Lahabrea IS the only remaining piece, given what Elidibus is, due to that nature that he too is destined to slowly lose himself to that which he is forced to draw strength from, it's up to him and Lahabrea to keep him reminding him, but now Emet finds himself alone, the soul one to remember them, to remember that they once lived, how they once lived, they they were more than this. It's no wonder the man wants to sleep all the time, dream of the world he's lost in the hopes he'll either wake up to it having been restored in wake up to the vail hope that losing it was the dream.

I also think it's why Emet contradicts himself so much, after you fail to control the light and he claims you'll turn into a beast and kill everyone, he still puts on a history lesson for you, someone who he claims won't remember any of it, because he knows you will and he needs you to, because after he's gone, someone has to, because he's the only one left who does and he just wants someone else to remember, he can't bering them back, but he can't let them be forgotten. "I won't let it all be for naught!" It wasn't so long as someone still knows they existed.

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