Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

They retroactively proved with Lahabrea, that the Ancients could go mad, while it was partly due to his body hopping

Did Emet outright say Lahabrea went mad? I don't recall him saying that, just that switching bodies took some kind of toll on his strength.

Originally Posted by RobinMalvin

The Ancient didn't seem to be unaware of time magic, with Gaia being primary example.

Gaia's time-slowing magic isn't the same thing as time-travelling magic though, unless you could somehow apply enough of it that time slows "into reverse" or something.

Originally Posted by Riastrad

Funny enough, Yoshida gave an interview to Steven Messner of PC Gamer last month after Fan Fest. Time travel might be back on the menu Ladies and Gentlemen.

Uh... I really hope that's the sort of idea that he's just thrown up randomly without consulting the lore team about its actual plausibility.

Though I think we should be safe for future-travel without risking irreversible damage to the space-time continuum. The past, well, we've done it with Alexander so that's not impossible either, but I just don't think I want another time loop plot at this point.

Originally Posted by Erendis

Well, while traveling back we could be in Mide kind of situation. Where today exists because we went to the past.

Certainly that would be the route to take if we did any travel to the past: have our historians identify a patch of history where there are no clear records of what happened, so you can't accidentally contradict facts known in the present.

I'm just not sure that I want to see the story go there, and especially after they made a big deal of just how difficult it was to achieve the first time - and the commitment required of G'raha, besides.

Originally Posted by Riastrad

The meaning behind a certain lyric in Locus- a theme reused for The Twinning.

Seven two three two three...<send>

The very boring answer is that 7-3-2 is the access code for the Gordias entry hatch, though you can still debate the significance of that.

Originally Posted by Iscah

Certainly that would be the route to take if we did any travel to the past: have our historians identify a patch of history where there are no clear records of what happened, so you can't accidentally contradict facts known in the present.

The Fourth Astral Era is famously bare of history, allegedly due to the anti-intellectualism after the fall of the Allagan Empire. I admit it would be a massive troll if the story does go there and have us "fix" history during that time, since as far as I can tell nothing interesting actually happened, other than the common Eorzean alphabet being standardized. (The Miqo'te migration happened afterwards, in the Fifth Umbral Era.)

Originally Posted by Iscah

Did Emet outright say Lahabrea went mad? I don't recall him saying that, just that switching bodies took some kind of toll on his strength.




Gaia's time-slowing magic isn't the same thing as time-travelling magic though, unless you could somehow apply enough of it that time slows "into reverse" or something.




Uh... I really hope that's the sort of idea that he's just thrown up randomly without consulting the lore team about its actual plausibility.

Though I think we should be safe for future-travel without risking irreversible damage to the space-time continuum. The past, well, we've done it with Alexander so that's not impossible either, but I just don't think I want another time loop plot at this point.

From Emet if you talk to him in-between quests:
"I took over a suitable stranger in this world, and reshaped them into this form that I am most familiar with. In contrast, Lahabrea, before he met his end at your hands, never really took the time to familiarize himself much with his vessels. Really… with how often he switched forms, it’s no surprise that his very self ended up eroding away..."
While I doubt back then they had much idea where the Ascians would end up, they've retroactively explained Lahabreas diminished power and "differing" shall we say personality and ideals to the other unsundered.

Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

From Emet if you talk to him in-between quests:
"I took over a suitable stranger in this world, and reshaped them into this form that I am most familiar with. In contrast, Lahabrea, before he met his end at your hands, never really took the time to familiarize himself much with his vessels. Really… with how often he switched forms, it’s no surprise that his very self ended up eroding away..."
While I doubt back then they had much idea where the Ascians would end up, they've retroactively explained Lahabreas diminished power and "differing" shall we say personality and ideals to the other unsundered.

I'm still kind of unsure why, if Lahabrea is known to be so unstable and weak and completely out of it, the Ascians still gave him Igeyorhm to supervise in Heavensward.

Originally Posted by YianKutku

I'm still kind of unsure why, if Lahabrea is known to be so unstable and weak and completely out of it, the Ascians still gave him Igeyorhm to supervise in Heavensward.

Maybe they had what was needed to make Ascian Prime, and the other Ascians were incompatible with Lahabrea. Also though, Igeyorhm maybe asked to help out, since Lahabrea failed when trying things on his own with a few black masks for minion grunt work.

Originally Posted by YianKutku

I'm still kind of unsure why, if Lahabrea is known to be so unstable and weak and completely out of it, the Ascians still gave him Igeyorhm to supervise in Heavensward.

Ignoring that they're trying to fill in the problems backwards, in lore I think it's willing blindness, Emet, while he acknowledges Lahabrea's decline, he is one of only two other people remaining of the world he knew, he doesn't want to accept that one of the only remaining pieces of that life, the dream they're trying to reforge is fading away from him, because, really Lahabrea IS the only remaining piece, given what Elidibus is, due to that nature that he too is destined to slowly lose himself to that which he is forced to draw strength from, it's up to him and Lahabrea to keep him reminding him, but now Emet finds himself alone, the soul one to remember them, to remember that they once lived, how they once lived, they they were more than this. It's no wonder the man wants to sleep all the time, dream of the world he's lost in the hopes he'll either wake up to it having been restored in wake up to the vail hope that losing it was the dream.

I also think it's why Emet contradicts himself so much, after you fail to control the light and he claims you'll turn into a beast and kill everyone, he still puts on a history lesson for you, someone who he claims won't remember any of it, because he knows you will and he needs you to, because after he's gone, someone has to, because he's the only one left who does and he just wants someone else to remember, he can't bering them back, but he can't let them be forgotten. "I won't let it all be for naught!" It wasn't so long as someone still knows they existed.

Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

I also think it's why Emet contradicts himself so much, after you fail to control the light and he claims you'll turn into a beast and kill everyone, he still puts on a history lesson for you, someone who he claims won't remember any of it, because he knows you will and he needs you to, because after he's gone, someone has to, because he's the only one left who does and he just wants someone else to remember, he can't bering them back, but he can't let them be forgotten. "I won't let it all be for naught!" It wasn't so long as someone still knows they existed.

Yeah, fair on Emet-Selch probably trying to act out to cope. When we first saw him, he was going "lol Lahabrea is dead, he was stupid anyway". Which is very strange if he actually cared about Lahabrea anyway, but if it was him trying to hide his grief in a deeply unhealthy way, maybe it fits? (I honestly can't understand it myself, but I've been told everyone processes grief differently.)

Originally Posted by YianKutku

Yeah, fair on Emet-Selch probably trying to act out to cope. When we first saw him, he was going "lol Lahabrea is dead, he was stupid anyway". Which is very strange if he actually cared about Lahabrea anyway, but if it was him trying to hide his grief in a deeply unhealthy way, maybe it fits? (I honestly can't understand it myself, but I've been told everyone processes grief differently.)

Yeah, some people can be cold or even downright nasty to the person that died even if they cared about them for that very reason, they cared about them and they went and "left" them, in Emet's case all alone, even though it wasn't like Lahabrea killed himself, he was still gone and Emet was now the last true unsundered. Worse still in Emets case is unlike you or I who if we lose someone we can find someone to till the void as an unsundered Emet could never find another unsundered, so it hits even harder.

I think while Emet was true to his word and was honest with you during 5.0 he was also only honest on a surface levle in that he gave honest information and was willing to be helpful, the man clearly spoke in half truths at time, had meaning within his words or at times seemed to straight contradict himself. I'm not sure if he intended to commit "death by WoL" from the start, but he spent A LOT of time imparting information to the WoL about his people and setting up plans and events to trigger after his defeat for victory to have been his primary goal either.