Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

Originally Posted by Alleo

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Uh, not all the city states have overcome that. Gridania still has racists and elementals to deal with. Uldah still condones slavery. Just because it's in the past doesnt mean its just swept under the rug. The past defines peoples actions, and you cant just say oh well, since they all of a sudden are doing things for the better, it all makes up for the horrible things theyve done.Uldah literally zombified a city. Thats pretty similar to body altering and "chemical warfare" that Garlemald has done. People seem to have this major double standard for their precious scions or wol or city states that they blind themselves from the truth. The WoL and scions were complicit in the Doma Castle flooding. The WoL and scions were complicit with manipulating tribes to fight their war for them. These are both considered bad things. It was for war yes. But it doesnt change that fact. Huge amount of mass death btw? How many animals, beast tribes, imperials,dragons etc have we slaughtered. Drk questline literally has us murder a group of qiqirn and bask in their blood because they messed with a merchant. Diadem literally talks about us and our adventurer friends causing a species to become nigh-on extinct. As for body altering, like someone else mentioned, lets not forget the WoL being complicit in turning Eulmore guards into leafmen, despite them being brainwashed and unable to fight back against Vauthry, and we never even try to help them or fix them after. Thats what i would equate to torture.

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Uh, not all the city states have overcome that. Gridania still has racists and elementals to deal with. Uldah still condones slavery. Just because it's in the past doesnt mean its just swept under the rug. The past defines peoples actions, and you cant just say oh well, since they all of a sudden are doing things for the better, it all makes up for the horrible things theyve done.Uldah literally zombified a city. Thats pretty similar to body altering and "chemical warfare" that Garlemald has done. People seem to have this major double standard for their precious scions or wol or city states that they blind themselves from the truth. The WoL and scions were complicit in the Doma Castle flooding. The WoL and scions were complicit with manipulating tribes to fight their war for them.

And who says that the city states are perfect and angelic? That they dont do anything wrong? But their wrong doings pale in comparsion to Garlemald. Also again please only take recent events into account. Its not fair to count things that happened a long time ago. (Just like it would not be fair to hate on Garlemald 100 years from now if they have changed) The war with the zombification after all happened hundreds of years ago.

The recent city states have problems that is true. Problems that every state on the world will face. Problems that are bad. But lets compare these few problems they still have with the huge amount of horrible stuff Garlemald has done over the last years including doing experiments on their own people. How can we even beginn comparing those? Thats like saying that someone who steals stuff is just as horrible as someone who is a mass murderer.

I dont think that destroying the castle or winning the Xaela over to help with that one battle was really that morally bad. We played by their rules and won. They could have been in danger in the future if Garlemald won. The castle was necessary just like I dont think that its a war crime that a canon took out that one building in Ala Mhigo...the war crime came from Fordola bascially killing her own men. All that stuff is war. And its not great. But there are differences between war and war crimes. (I do agree though that the pixie stuff was horror)

Originally Posted by Alleo

And who says that the city states are perfect and angelic? That they dont do anything wrong? But their wrong doings pale in comparsion to Garlemald. Also again please only take recent events into account. Its not fair to count things that happened a long time ago. (Just like it would not be fair to hate on Garlemald 100 years from now if they have changed) The war with the zombification after all happened hundreds of years ago.

The recent city states have problems that is true. Problems that every state on the world will face. Problems that are bad. But lets compare these few problems they still have with the huge amount of horrible stuff Garlemald has done over the last years including doing experiments on their own people. How can we even beginn comparing those? Thats like saying that someone who steals stuff is just as horrible as someone who is a mass murderer.

I dont think that destroying the castle or winning the Xaela over to help with that one battle was really that morally bad. We played by their rules and won. They could have been in danger in the future if Garlemald won. The castle was necessary just like I dont think that its a war crime that a canon took out that one building in Ala Mhigo...the war crime came from Fordola bascially killing her own men. All that stuff is war. And its not great. But there are differences between war and war crimes. (I do agree though that the pixie stuff was horror)

This is the thing though. You only take recent events into account without ever looking at why its happening. Besides, kobold slaughtering is recent. Slavery STILL being a thing in uldah is recent. "could" have been in danger as in, we dont know that. What we do know is we literally manipulated a group of people with their own beliefs and customs, while one of the scions also disrespected said customs and semi-mocked them (yshtola). The devs themselves have literally said, this isnt a black and white story. Both sides have their ups and down. I understand if people cant understand that or if it makes the story too complex for them but its just the way it is. Im more inclined to believe what the devs have stated over people who let feelings over pixels get in the way of the truth of things. My overall point though is, it *is* perspective. I've given many examples of things the protagonist side has done that doesnt vary from things the antagonist side has done. Both have their own reasons for doing things and it's quite illogical to just equate one side as good, one side as bad.