Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

I like the quote with the part about everyone being their hero more as "Nobody's the villain in their own story". Valen and even Asahi wont see themselves as the villains of their own story too. The question is imo not if the people see themselves as a hero or not, the question is, how others see them.

Of course that might be more difficult to judge in certain situations and of course in war there is often the case that the winner will try to show themselves as THE heroes. The question is, how are the others truly seeing them? What did they do to achieve that? I mean even in the real world it happens that the winning side will punish some of their own because they committed war crimes.

I am not sure that most Garlean people saw Zenos as a hero, no matter how many battles he won. They probably saw him as a monster. Yet in his view he might see himself as the one being right, after all the others just had to defeat him. Its their fault that they died and thus lose.

I am honestly really curious, how many of the Ancients would see the actions of the Ascians as heroic. How many of those that willingly sacrificed themselves would be happy with what the Asicans are doing?

Gaius too is another example. He may have finally understood that he was not the hero that he thought he was. He may have realized what he had truly done. And even though he is a proud Garlear he still saw that the actions of certain other garlean people are morally bad. He was so shocked when he learned what some where doing.

So for me even if everyone sees themselves as the heroes of their own story they can still do morally wrong things and be judged for them. Of course what counts as morally wrong depends on the story too. If we had one where the world accepts that someone is killed for the smallest of crimes then doing that would not be morally wrong for them.

FF14 has its own moral code. Maybe it changes a bit depending on the countries but there still should be one, after all they have a punishment system for crimes and someone doing something absolutely nasty does get a reaction from a lot of NPCs too.

But those are just my few cents on that.

Edit:

Also for me nuanced or morally grey characters cant exist without judging all characters with the same criterias. After all if someone is seen as morally grey they need to have done something that makes them that. They had to have done something that makes them neither completely good or bad. But to judge that you will have to give actions morality.

For example why is Zenos evil? There has to be a moral compass that says that what he does is evil.