Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

Originally Posted by Caurcas

Let's set aside the fact than Garlemald's whole purpose of existence and creator was to be an agent of chaos/sacrificial lamb. The majority of the major Garlean aligned characters are, for lack of a better word, Madmen. Valens, Nael, Varis, Zenos, Yotsuyu, Asahi, etc... Sure we get a couple that break the mold in the form of Gaius and Regula, but the majority are walking war crimes. So claiming any type of grey morality, outside of a few situations, is wishful thinking at best. As for Misijia, much like Yotsuyu, her character and crappy "redemption" arc ruined the story for me. It would have been better to let her skull of been ground to paste beneath the WoL's boot in DR>

I mean, people seem to forget that the Garleans were literally forced to conquer because they were kicked out of everywhere else. Disregarding that though, it's not as if we and other nations havent committed war crimes. Doma castle flooding? Our mass murdering of various beast tribes etc. It's a war though. As seen in stormblood, both sides do whatever they deem necessary regardless of if its a war crime or not. It just so happens we're on one particular side.It really is just the way war itself is. Again though, if i actually had a choice i would wholeheartedly join the IVth instead of the bozjans in a heartbeat.

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I mean, people seem to forget that the Garleans were literally forced to conquer because they were kicked out of everywhere else. Disregarding that though, it's not as if we and other nations havent committed war crimes. Doma castle flooding? Our mass murdering of various beast tribes etc. It's a war though. As seen in stormblood, both sides do whatever they deem necessary regardless of if its a war crime or not. It just so happens we're on one particular side.It really is just the way war itself is. Again though, if i actually had a choice i would wholeheartedly join the IVth instead of the bozjans in a heartbeat.

When people have talked about war crimes in this thread, they've constantly shown that they are applying real world war ethics to a fantasy setting/setting that is medieval. There were no such stipulations on combat in the older eras, and our morals don't carry over there. That and people are also showing that they are not entirely cognizant as to what constitutes war crimes.

The flooding of Doma Castle wasn't a war crime in any sense.

Also it's relevant to note that usually what constitutes war crimes for a long time were decided by nations already exercising excessive military power and presence. They're usually brought about post war as a way of punishing the losing side further. All while the winning side reaps in deals made so that leaders can avoid prison/execution.

Also it's laughable that you're asserting the Garleans were "forced" to conquer. They were forced alright, but not just because they were pushed around by the magical races. They were given the means to conquer, and they had their old grudges stoked. But even if we paint them as victims of exploitation, they still murdered hundreds of thousands, used chemical warfare, and did human biomechanical experimentation. Really without cessation for almost a century. And I mean, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

What makes our side right in this war is that the Bozjans/Eorzeans/Nagxians/Domans don't do that kinda crap, and they're resolved to put an end to it. The IVth, however good Gabranth's envisioned utopia is, is still using all means dastardly to try to bring it to fruition. Even if they succeeded in defeating the Bozjans, and then went on to found his ideal nation, it'd fall apart at the seams due to the vast gulf between its founder's vision and the reality of how it came to his hand. I'd never want to be part of something like that.