Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

**BlitzAceRush** · 06-07-2021 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

The difference being though is that in allowing something like the sundering to stay, you’re causing more death in the long run than would be caused by rejoinings. So it’s a matter of, do we just allow that to happen and allow more death to be caused, or let the rejoining happen, have people be rejoined to their original selves, the world becomes stable again and there’s less death overall.

The rejoining isn't the point, that's a separate debate altogether, in both my example and the games narrative it's the means to get there and their worth, I'd have to slowly crush the orb over 20000 years, causing the people within endless pain and torment, all so at the end, they'll cease to be so I can fix my own people.
In 14's case Emet and co have been subjecting the people of the sundered worlds to strife, pain, torment, death and calamities, all to fix something that happened so long ago it's all but been forgotten to time, perhaps the world was better, perhaps it wasn't, to everyone that matters today it doesn't matter.

If I could crush that ball in a few seconds, not centuries, if Emet could sacrifice all life in moments, not millennia, at some point the cost for what you're trying to do catches up to you, and then races off ahead of you, Emet was tired because I think that cost caught up to him, but how could he ever stop? I'm honestly reminded of a quote from 24 that sums it up pretty well.

"You took an oath. You made a promise to uphold the law. When you cross that line, it always starts off with a small step. Before you know it, you’re running as fast as you can in the wrong direction just to justify what you started in the first place."

The unsundered's plan was noble and even justifiable at the start, the life and knew and what they were trying to fix, but the longer time wore on, then this life began to exist in it's own right, at some point he knew, they knew, but they'd come so far, done so much, at this point it had to mean something, Emet was a dammed man because he couldn't stop, I don't think he'd have felt good if he'd actually done it, his only way out was to lose, which to me is why he finally stood up straight.

**Erendis** · 06-07-2021 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

The difference being though is that in allowing something like the sundering to stay, you’re causing more death in the long run than would be caused by rejoinings. So it’s a matter of, do we just allow that to happen and allow more death to be caused, or let the rejoining happen, have people be rejoined to their original selves, the world becomes stable again and there’s less death overall.

For all we know, full rejoining could result in renewal of the Final days and complete obliteration of the star.

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

That reminds me i really hope we see more of the Buduga in 6.0! They're so interesting and captivating and i wished we got to learn more about their customs and beliefs. Theyre so nice.

They are nice as long as you do not play female character. Their constant attempts to kidnap Hien were hilarious regardless.

**Yuella** · 06-07-2021 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

The difference being though is that in allowing something like the sundering to stay, you’re causing more death in the long run than would be caused by rejoinings. So it’s a matter of, do we just allow that to happen and allow more death to be caused, or let the rejoining happen, have people be rejoined to their original selves, the world becomes stable again and there’s less death overall.

Natural old age death which is a good thing.

**KizuyaKatogami** · 06-07-2021 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Iscah

Minus the extreme punishment, one of the few Amaurotine sidequests from which we can grasp their culture has us being told off for daring to wear something other than the communal robes.

It sounds more like "everyone will regard you as incredibly rude and/or an idiot if you don't follow the social rules" than "we will actively punish you for not complying", but there is definitely societal pressure to conform in appearance even if they are free to express themselves in other ways.

This seems like a really weird assumption. The way they word it on other languages is that they overall don’t care, but it’s something that might take the attention of others which could be a problem/pose a danger(with the way their creation magicks work.) The short story even mentions that Hades i believe never really followed that rule anyways. Don’t really see where you’re getting “you’ll be seen as an idiot” from.

**Iscah** · 06-07-2021 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This seems like a really weird assumption. The way they word it on other languages is that they overall don’t care, but it’s something that might take the attention of others which could be a problem/pose a danger(with the way their creation magicks work.) The short story even mentions that Hades i believe never really followed that rule anyways. Don’t really see where you’re getting “you’ll be seen as an idiot” from.

The guy in the quote just told us that "to delight in disparity [i.e. difference] is a mark of the morally deficient". They might not try to stop you from dressing as you want if you insist, but they don't sound like anyone is going to approve of it.

I'm not sure where you're getting that about Hades either. The Through His Eyes story specifies that his mask is the only unique thing that he is wearing.

Though it does make sense from a practical standpoint if dressing plainly means less risk of distraction while Creating.

**Alleo** · 06-08-2021 12:13 AM

I kinda wonder if Azem not only took on their role to protect people but also to have a reason to travel all over the world, throwing away their robes as soon as they were beyond Amaurotes border, revealing their beautiful pig costume underneath it. And in the background Hades just groaned in pure dispair.

Anyways I like the side quest and the little speech bubbles in Amaurot. It made it quite obvious that they were not perfect. (And of course the Ancient ones did not deserve to die. If there would be a way to bring some of them back without sacrifice I would have nothing against trying that)

**Iscah** · 06-08-2021 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by Alleo

I kinda wonder if Azem not only took on their role to protect people but also to have a reason to travel all over the world, throwing away their robes as soon as they were beyond Amaurotes border, revealing their beautiful pig costume underneath it. And in the background Hades just groaned in pure dispair.

I can just picture the face he'd be making at us, too.

And then we skid back into the Convocation meeting at the last moment, mask askew and with a daisy chain over our hood, handing out souvenirs.

Probably while Hades does his best to sink into the floor.

**Alleluia** · 06-08-2021 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Alleo

I kinda wonder if Azem not only took on their role to protect people but also to have a reason to travel all over the world, throwing away their robes as soon as they were beyond Amaurotes border, revealing their beautiful pig costume underneath it. And in the background Hades just groaned in pure dispair.

Originally Posted by Iscah

I can just picture the face he'd be making at us, too.

And then we skid back into the Convocation meeting at the last moment, mask askew and with a daisy chain over our hood, handing out souvenirs.

Probably while Hades does his best to sink into the floor.

Man, I want flashbacks of this. XD (Echo visions? w/e)

**Fenral** · 06-08-2021 12:18 AM

It's such an obvious repression metaphor. I mean, really. Like, wowza.

Everyone's basically pressured into looking and acting the same, and while they all superficially attest to open freedom of expression, the very nature of their society constrains it to within certain "acceptable" bounds. And then Hydaelyn comes and splits the world in such a way that people can no longer hide who they really are, and the few survivors of the past age go on a rampage and lament the "good old days" when they weren't constantly confronted with the differences of others. Like all of that was acceptable, of course, but only when they didn't have to think about it.

Not that Oda and Ishikawa intended it that way, per se, ("Death of the Author" is a thing), but the work's overall stance on which world was better has been pretty clear since that first roundtable with Varis.

**KizuyaKatogami** · 06-08-2021 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by Fenral

It's such an obvious repression metaphor. I mean, really. Like, wowza.

Everyone's basically pressured into looking and acting the same, and while they all superficially attest to open freedom of expression, the very nature of their society constrains it to within certain "acceptable" bounds. And then Hydaelyn comes and splits the world in such a way that people can no longer hide who they really are, and the few survivors of the past age go on a rampage and lament the "good old days" when they weren't constantly confronted with the differences of others. Like all of that was acceptable, of course, but only when they didn't have to think about it.

Not that Oda and Ishikawa intended it that way, per se, ("Death of the Author" is a thing), but the work's overall stance on which world was better has been pretty clear since that first roundtable with Varis.

I mean the devs confirm themselves the sundering was bad and made the world unstable. So im more inclined to believe the Ancient world was better when we have actual proof of lore and dev statements to back it up. It's not like we have to go through many mental gymnastics though to come to that conclusion.

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