Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

Originally Posted by Theodric

One man's hero is another man's sworn enemy and the reverse can be true as well.

A member of the Buduga tribe dragging a fresh captive back to an encampment would be a hero to his people in the same way that a seasoned veteran cutting down a proud, peaceful beast to sell its pelt and claws would be a hero to whoever paid him to do the deed.

Very much a matter of perspective on that front, once more.

That reminds me - I ought to dust off my Buduga alt at some point...luckily there's plenty of time to take him through the MSQ's before Endwalker is here!

That reminds me i really hope we see more of the Buduga in 6.0! They're so interesting and captivating and i wished we got to learn more about their customs and beliefs. Theyre so nice.

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

That reminds me i really hope we see more of the Buduga in 6.0! They're so interesting and captivating and i wished we got to learn more about their customs and beliefs. Theyre so nice.

If I recall correctly, the intention is to reunite with as many characters as possible throughout Endwalker so...I could see some of the key players from the Azim Steppe showing up. Magnai and Sadu stand a firm chance of getting in, I reckon. Though hopefully Magnai is accompanied by Daidukul.

Originally Posted by Riastrad

By chance is he around the Azim Steppe questline or farther ahead?

There is a bit of the Auri creation myth that speaks of Azim fashioning an Avatar to walk among his and Nhamaa's children. Which I felt implies that Azem summoned something akin to Zodiark and Hydealyn.

He's stuck in Heavensward at the moment. I'm looking forward to potentially learning more of the Raen/Xaela moving forward though. Maybe another dungeon to show us more of the Azim Steppe.

I was hoping that the 'toppled' throne in the desert part of the zone would be given the Skalla treatment and be a lost ruin we'd explore but...alas, the number of new dungeons was reduced over time so I think that's less likely to happen now.

Originally Posted by Alleo

“If you just think about it without Emet-Selch’s humanised side, the Ascians have done these atrocious things seven times now, sacrificing so many lives. But the players are saying ‘we’re so sad, we want him back.’ That said, we haven’t heard what Hydalen has to say, because they’re two sides of the same coin, so we have to tell something about that as well.”

He mentions it again that we havent heard about Hydealyn.

Yes he mentions it as an “atrocious” series of acts if you just see things as black and white and don’t look at things from their perspective. Which is what a lot of people seem to want to do with a lot of things in this game...attribute everything to simply good and evil when it’s usually far more complex than that. As for Hydaelyn, that interview is from before 5.2 keep in mind lol. So it was before Venat’s showing which is probably what he was referring to in showing us. Which...doesn’t help her case very much lol.

I mean we understand why Emet and friend did what they did. However, that doesn't make what they did right or justified. He's better off in the remembered category than being a player in the story. Might hurt the fanboy/gal train.

Originally Posted by Caurcas

I mean we understand why Emet and friend did what they did. However, that doesn't make what they did right or justified. He's better off in the remembered category than being a player in the story. Might hurt the fanboy/gal train.

It’s right and justified to them, and i mean. We can argue the moral dilemma day in and day out. But like i’ve said before, their position is either rejoin the worlds back to how they were and bring back a race that is nigh-on immortal and immune to illness, or let the sundered world continue with its weaker more frail races that die off to young age and illnesses and worry about an unstable world. It can be argued the sundering has caused and will cause more death in the long run than the rejoinings would. The fact of the matter is the sundering isn’t natural and neither are sundered beings.

My favorite theory is that Fourchenault is playing 5D chess and disowning his kids is part of his plan to insure that they'll get on the first boat to Sharlayan to tell him what's what, and in the process they end up uncovering the Forum's secret plans that he totally isn't allowed to tell them and isn't it SUCH a shame that they came here OF THEIR OWN VOLITION and-oops! They just opened the hall where we keep the Mothercrystal. Who could've seen that coming?

Is it likely to happen? Probably not. Would it be incredibly funny if it did? Oh hell yes.

MSQ Epilogue:

I like to think the white robed lady isn't Venat, but Hydaelyn. Right before she appears we hear "HEAR.....THINK.....HEAR....THINK...." The same thing she first said to us. Maybe she's starting to get some power back. Enough to form a body?

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

It’s right and justified to them, and i mean. We can argue the moral dilemma day in and day out. But like i’ve said before, their position is either rejoin the worlds back to how they were and bring back a race that is nigh-on immortal and immune to illness, or let the sundered world continue with its weaker more frail races that die off to young age and illnesses and worry about an unstable world. It can be argued the sundering has caused and will cause more death in the long run than the rejoinings would. The fact of the matter is the sundering isn’t natural and neither are sundered beings.

And new life will be born replacing the new death, keeping the sundered world fresh and brings in new ideas. The world having immortal beings with no newborns would become stagnant, which is what happened to the Ancients.

I know that some folks really want there to be some disastrous downside to the Ancients' world or their way of life but, to be frank... between Emet's Selch's illusory Amaurot and the short stories set during that era, nothing has ever been shown to even suggest this is the case. The worst thing anyone can say about them is that, despite being nigh-immortal demigods in their own right, the Ancients were still every bit as human as their successors races.

They weren't creatively sterile—at least two sidequests in Amaurot were dedicated to showing their efforts to create, along with the entirety of two level 80 dungeons (Akadaemia Anyder and Anamnesis Anyder). They weren't infertile, either—they mistake the WoL and friends for children upon our arrival to Amaurot, something that wouldn't make much sense if they didn't know what a child was or couldn't have them. Hell, one of the most popular takes on Elidibus's character is that he was a literal child (he's never called as such, but that scene near the end of 5.3 does suggest the possibility). They weren't a cult of evil conformists who reacted to any display of individuality with murder or brainwashing. And yes, I have seen that take before and it's as ludicrous as it sounds.

Is it really that hard to accept that—whatever nefarious things the Ascians are up to now—the people they once were didn't deserve to be driven to extinction?