Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

Originally Posted by Riastrad

And I'll gladly pat my back all I want and you can't stop me. Condescension be damned.

I wouldn't intend to do so anyhow, largely because of how hollow a thing I consider it to be.

Originally Posted by Theodric

One man's hero is another man's sworn enemy and the reverse can be true as well.

A member of the Buduga tribe dragging a fresh captive back to an encampment would be a hero to his people in the same way that a seasoned veteran cutting down a proud, peaceful beast to sell its pelt and claws would be a hero to whoever paid him to do the deed.

Very much a matter of perspective on that front, once more.

That reminds me - I ought to dust off my Buduga alt at some point...luckily there's plenty of time to take him through the MSQ's before Endwalker is here!

By chance is he around the Azim Steppe questline or farther ahead?

There is a bit of the Auri creation myth that speaks of Azim fashioning an Avatar to walk among his and Nhamaa's children. Which I felt implies that Azem summoned something akin to Zodiark and Hydealyn. Sure it may just be bits of misremembered tribal lore, but eh. Something about it may ring true.

Originally Posted by Lauront

I wouldn't intend to do so anyhow, largely because of how hollow a thing I consider it to be.

Cool.

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

People rarely ever talk about Eorzea/Doma lol. It’s always Garleans bad bad bad. That’s why when i give points on why Eorzea really is no different,or the WoL/scions are just as bad, people seem to avoid them lmao. It’s just funny to me how people have this double standard pertaining to Garlemald when Eorzea is no better than them.

They are only no better than them if you see their problems on the same scale as Garlemald. I dont think that city states which are also still recovering from nearly being blasted out of existence, who has to fear an invasion and the constant summoning of primals who deal with some struggles and who make mistakes, are on the same ground as Garlemald. The states have problems. But they try to solve them and are now even in an alliance with every beast tribe.

And Eorzea and Doma are always talked about as soon as someone points out the horrible disgusting stuff that Garlemald does. Because them not being perfect somehow means that they are the same kind of bad that Garlemald is. The country that just thinks that they can conquer the world, that look down on non garlean as savages, that has beast tribe and echo user genocide on their agenda. That destroys whole cities like Bozja in their need for science. That has created one whole calamity which would have wiped out a whole continent if the scions had not fought back and which would have wiped out a big amount of the world with their black rose gas. Yes I am sorry I will stand that the city states are nowhere near that.

Edit:

If we all go on with black and white then lets also not forget that Yoshida himself stated that people should not already judge the story without getting Hydaelyns side of it. Sadly no matter how hard I looked I cant find the quote. But it was along the way that we should wait until we get Hydealyns view. This was seemingly on the reaction that are people fully believe only Emets view. If someone has that quote I would be quite happy.

Another one from an interview after he said that quote:

“The Shadowbringers storyline touched upon the core of FFXIV, which means we need players to understand who the Ascians are, how they are motivated, what their mission is, and why the Warrior of Light needs to fight them. In order to make this happen, the team meticulously planned it out so that it hits players. Seeing this result and this kind of feedback and emotion, the team feels it went over well.”

“If you just think about it without Emet-Selch’s humanised side, the Ascians have done these atrocious things seven times now, sacrificing so many lives. But the players are saying ‘we’re so sad, we want him back.’ That said, we haven’t heard what Hydalen has to say, because they’re two sides of the same coin, so we have to tell something about that as well.”

He mentions it again that we havent heard about Hydealyn.

Anyways seeing how Valen and Zenos exist I doubt that their stance is purely that no black exist, otherwise these characters have to be somehow morally grey too. I just think that the overall view might not always be that simple.

So time for bed. No idea if I can even post much longer, no idea if my sub break is already near the 14 day mark.

Originally Posted by dynus

Hmm... I'm hoping it's tricking them into coming home and keeping them there, or getting them the incentive to come home and solve the problems he can't, but not holding my breath.

I wonder if it could be a neutrality thing. Like, disowning them makes them not Sharlayan citizens in some capacity, enabling them to act more freely with regards to [Unintroduced Plot Point X], without diplomatic backlash of some kind. Though in the short term, we can probably expect another gag about how Alphinaud doesn't understand money.

I'm reaching maybe, but that's all we can do for the next six months.