Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Meh. At least those HM dungeons had associated sidequests and story, with new bosses aplenty, top to bottom, side to side. New trash monsters completely in some of them, too.

The only point of the comparison is that rather than all be snowy mountains like in Pagos, they changed their paste tool to lava caves for half of Pyros. The Eureka zone design was lazy (though I enjoyed it). HM dungeons seem like that, but they incorporated new things in them, usually. There's also usually a drastic aesthetic change that makes it feel like a new place, with the alternate path.

ARR had 9 HM dungeons, and I won't complain about those, either. Some of the most memorable content in the game comes from HM dungeons, and they've used said content to leap frog into other stories and side quests too.

There is also one comparison in which SB was a letdown, and it's about the zones.

6 new zones... but in practice it feels like 4, because all of the Gyr Abanian zones look exactly the same.

Ideally, if that's the case, Gyr Abania could be easily just the Fringes and the Lochs, and having an extra zone in the Far East.

I had some crazy theories...

1) The main threat from EW is what caused the Final Days, a creature (alien originated?) that is currently sealed in the Moon. That's a reference of how Bahamut was sealed in an artificial moon, as it was something taught by the Ascians to the Allagans, because they had an experience with sealing a threat before in a similar way.

2) The main tower structure in Garlemald will function like the Lunatic Pandora does in FF8 - a beacon to cause something like the Lunar Cry, where both this threat and a number of creatures will rain into the Source. Even the designs and the sheer number of monsters in Estinien's section of the Trailer, they all seem terribly similar to the creatures originated from the Lunar Cry in FF8.

3) Alternatively, it would be too crazy to think that this threat will take heavy inspiration on Chrono Trigger's Lavos?... The whole End Days narrative, voice from below, and even the main Garlemald Tower spiky design itself, reminds me a lot of Lavos.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

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I did say Quality is a seperate issue and one that is far more subjective which is why I brought it up as a seperate issue in my closing statement in brackets.

When everything is added together we got more content in Stormblood than in Heavensward, quality of said content is a completely seperate issue more suited for general discussion unless we are talking story/characters etc and I would not like to derail this thread further with a discussion about SB's quality of content.

Originally Posted by KarstenS

Hm. Just one opinion.

Why do you think the german version is not adressing the WOL? It is not exactly named in the text. Sure. But we all know, that he means the WOL with the "ultimate hunt". So the WOL is adressed, but between the lines, which is a common thing in german language.

I don't "think". It is outright stated in the German text.

In german, the translator chooses to use "Mein Zorn" aka my anger, it is not even implied but outright stated that Zenos is very much talking about himself. It's not about implication at all. But looking at French, English and Japanese it seems to be heavily implied/outright stated (in ENG) that he's talking about WoL. Japanese is a language about context, he doesn't really name the WoL but it is heavily implied. Meanwhile in German they outright switched who is being addressed. It's not my interpretation. I actually think the translator kinda messed up, Zenos sounds extremely ooc in that sentence.

Originally Posted by KarstenS

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Please reread what you just wrote.

Mein eisiger Zorn, der das Blut in meinen Adern zum kochen bringt, soll der Brennstoff meines Hasses sein.

Where in there does it imply he's talking about the WoL if you're the german expert here. I never disagreed that hunt clearly means the final showdown with the WoL. But the anger and hatred which YOU quoted from me btw, is clearly talking about himself. He uses "Mein" und "meinen, meines" I'm not sure how to explain this more in depth. The sentence afterward is completely irrelevant to what you quoted from me in the first place as I was talking about the differences in the following sentence "My icecold wrath that is boiling through my veins shall be the fuel of my hatred. That is the word for word translation, where is he is talking about himself, meanwhile in English French and Japanese he is directly saying YOUR ice old wrath and so on and so forth.

I've been thinking about the last cutscene with Zenos.

He's standing there with his brand new scythe weapons, having cut down several people.

My question is who are those unfortunate people?

They're dressed in the visual shorthand for Eorzean Grand Company soldiers, ie low-level gear dyed red, green, and gold. But this is presumably in the middle of Garlemald, and I don't think Eorzean soldiers have made it that far yet. (Not to mention we didn't see anyone dressed like Ishgardian knights or Ala Mhigan Resistance.)

They're also obviously not there on a covert mission, given they're dressed in Grand Company colours.

So who are they? Are they Garlean conscripts who happen to be dressed in other gear and colours due to the civil war?

I'm assuming they're just random people who thought that maybe they had a chance at putting a stop to all the chaos the Telophoroi have been stirring up in Garlemald and the neighboring regions or were simply trying to investigate what was happening in the first place.

I'd be surprised if there wasn't some faction of Garleans fruitlessly trying to resist the advance of their tempered brethren whom we end up allying ourselves with when the time to raid the capital finally arrives in 6.0.