Shadowcourt Handmaiden? (Dun Scaith)

[ItMe]

When running Dun Scaith with my FC, when we got to Proto Ultima someone said that it only appears if one of the 28 raiders is on/after a certain quest.
I tried looking into it and found that at one point apparently there was a "placeholder boss" (according to gamerescape and a few sites like that) at that spot named the Shadowcourt Handmaiden.
While the raid was initially released in 3.5, apparently the bosses were swapped in 3.55?

Does anyone know why this boss was removed?
Was it originally added to be a placeholder?
Are there any other bosses this has happened to?
I have so many questions. If anyone can shed any light on the Shadowcourt Handmaiden I would really appreciate it.


Whatever happened, fortunately she can still be seen in OG raid guide videos if anyone else is curious:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=6m22s&...ature=youtu.be

[Rongway]

The encounter in question is not a boss. Just a trash fight. You can still fight her if nobody has the Proto Ultima quest; this is just incredibly unlikely.

I don't know if it was always intended to be replaced this way, but the Proto Ultima quest was implemented after FanFest NA 2016.

The Proto Ultima fight itself debuted at that FanFest in an Azys Lla styled arena as a battle challenge for 24 con attendees at a time. We had three minutes to set up all of our game settings and controls from scratch, then 10 or 15 minutes to do the fight, which was enough for about two pulls at the supplied equipment IL and encounter difficulty. I remember being surprised to see Proto Ultima replace the voidsent encounter, because the FanFest 2014 battle encounter, Odin, was added to the game as its own trial.


As for the voidsent fight, she's a pretty standard succubus family enemy. Summons a slime for each party. It's not a super remarkable fight, but again, she's not a boss; just a trash encounter.

[Nezerius]

I remember being surprised to see Proto Ultima replace the voidsent encounter, because the FanFest 2014 battle encounter, Odin, was added to the game as its own trial.

It likely was easier for them to replace a mini-boss in an alliance raid. The alternatives would have been creating a 24-player trial, or scaling the fight down to 8 players and creating an 8-player trial.

[ItMe]

The encounter in question is not a boss. Just a trash fight. You can still fight her if nobody has the Proto Ultima quest; this is just incredibly unlikely.

Which quest is that specifically?
Is that one of the MSQ ones?

[Vidu]

Which quest is that specifically?
Is that one of the MSQ ones?

The quest is called "Unidentified Flying Object" (https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...661.1572542701)

Its not related to the MSQ, its basically just a quest to give you a token that can be traded in for an accesory or a glamour piece - back when it was released it was meant as a "casual" way to get high level accessories, specially a second ring with an ilvl of 270 (highste ilvl in HW). They look pretty nice aswell, I'm still using them in some of my glamours!

[Kuroka]

And yet we never got smt like that again... it was really nice.

[Rongway]

it was meant as a "casual" way to get high level accessories, specially a second ring with an ilvl of 270 (highste ilvl in HW).

And yet we never got smt like that again... it was really nice.

You don't need a second max IL ring unless you're doing Savage/Ultimate.
By the time a second ring would make a difference to a non-raider--the first leveling dungeon of the next expansion--the tomestone rings will be non-unique and purchasable with poetics.

[TaleraRistain]

You don't need a second max IL ring unless you're doing Savage/Ultimate.
By the time a second ring would make a difference to a non-raider--the first leveling dungeon of the next expansion--the tomestone rings will be non-unique and purchasable with poetics.

Doesn't have to be useful to be something nice for a non-raider. Maybe they just like having that nice even number.

I still use them in my glamours, too, Vidu. Especially because they're not limited by class so I can glam my healer set on other classes.

I didn't realize the succubus wasn't completely replaced. I haven't seen her in all these years since they originally implemented Proto Ultima. Was always a fun fight, especially because that Beguiling Mist could cause an embarrassing wipe on a trash mob, lol.

[ItMe]

The quest is called "Unidentified Flying Object" (https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...661.1572542701)

Its not related to the MSQ, its basically just a quest to give you a token that can be traded in for an accesory or a glamour piece - back when it was released it was meant as a "casual" way to get high level accessories, specially a second ring with an ilvl of 270 (highste ilvl in HW). They look pretty nice aswell, I'm still using them in some of my glamours!

I see.
I wish there was a way to uncomplete that quest so I had a shot at seeing her without making an alt...

[Vidu]

I see.
I wish there was a way to uncomplete that quest so I had a shot at seeing her without making an alt...

You still wouldnt get to see her.

Apparently that missunderstanding wasnt cleared up in the earlier posts. Proto Ultima appearing in Dun Scaith is completly unrelated to anyone (or you yourself) having "Unidentified Flying Object" active or completed. It replaced the Succubus. Period. There is no way to experience Dun Scaith like it used to be (not that you missed all that much).
How do you even think that would work? Would the Succubus appear for anyone who hasnt completed the quest and for anyone else it would look like Proto Ultima? Would you just be stuck in DF (or even PF for that matter), looking for people who havent done the quest aswell to get 24 (not 28 like you claimed in your first post) people together for a run in which the Succubus appears?

There is no way of seeing her - except old screenshots/videos people took at that time. Shes no longer in the raid, Proto Ultima quest or not.