Parsers add replayability for casual players

[VelKallor]

Must not happen often then. I guess some players get lucky with the one or two good mentors.

More than two, Sturm...you'd be surprised.

[TaleraRistain]

I mean the game is already toxic, and exclusion already happens. It would continue to happen in the same manner, silence. It just makes it easier if it was offical and it would give console players access tonite.

It also weakens their stance about not judging or acting against other players based on numbers if they put their stamp of approval on something that is intended to do exactly that.

The current system works. They know people use parsers. They won't take action so long as they don't know through in-game means that someone is using one. And it allows them to take a firm stance when they do get wind of their use.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

I'm simply someone who wants to see the ToS enforced to see those who would violate the rules get punished ... For Justice! if the 1 % happen to be those violators well they was not worthy to play in the first place playing ff 14 is a privilege not a right you and everyone else agreed to obey the terms of service or lose access to said service

Do you mean people who parse to keep an eye on damage? I mean - you’d have a point - if DPS checks weren’t a thing in higher end content. It’s super easy to say ‘parses are abysmal and people who use them should be scrubbed from the data center’ - but then you’d likely kill the raiding scene - the 1% you keep on talking about - which includes harmless streamers who appropriately block out names for the sake of privacy, people who want to improve personally and those who discuss parses among their respective groups.

If you loathe raiders so much you should campaign against the thing that motivates them to try to perform well in content.

DPS Checks.

That or attempt to convince the developers that a raiding scene in an MMO isn’t required and people are fine just hunting for glams, doing pvp or looking forward to ‘challenging dungeons’.

[Penthea]

I will not, no, actually cannot, detail what I heard and witnessed over eight years in WOW

Yea WoW is why I am against everyone being able to easily see parses of those they're grouped up with. Many of the things that I witnessed being said as a result of parser abuse I literally cannot repeat them in the forums or the game. They're that bad. I would have to rephrase them to give people an idea. Things such as telling a player they should end their own life because their dps wasn't to their personal standards, and all that riddled with F bombs and insults...while in very easy content -_- Sadly some people don't need much to turn their harsh criticism to 100.

Of course not every instance in WoW for me was unpleasant because of parser abuse, but enough have been that I am firmly against in-game parsers being anything beyond a personal grade at the end of content that only you can see. Being a healer I was rarely the target of the abuse but watching it happen really sucked. Not to mention when the incidents turned into a full blown argument and the progress of the content entirely stopped until they cooled off or someone left.

I have been playing FFXIV since HW and I have NEVER seen a DF group fall apart due to a completely unnecessary very heated argument full of insults about performance, but in WoW I saw it happen several times each year that I have played. And those several times I am referring to are just the worst of the bunch. There are those other times when needless harsh words were exchanged but the group still kept going.

I don't miss dealing with that at all. I pug DF way more in FFXIV than I ever have in WoW because in FFXIV the worry of seeing that sort of behaviour is tiny by comparison.

[Sighearth]

The problem with an official parsers is not about a toxic environment (harrassment report would still be a thing), its about 90% of the player base finding out how bad they are and complaining how they can't face the truth.

[Awha]

Let us be real end of the day it will not happen because people are soft. Sure WoW's community is rough back in my early years of WoW I was an LFR hero I thought I knew my class and stepped into harder content. I got reamed for it was told to kill myself the works. Sure I was down for a tad but I used this as motivation to improve and it forced me to really learn my class. Next expansion I tried out and got into one of the top guilds on the server.

In short a community is only as harmful as you let it. People just need to run through the tape and stop looking for excuses instead just improve and keep improving as one improves you will notice that fewer and fewer people complain and treat you poorly.

In short just do not give people a reason to say shit, and if they do make sure you have data to rebuke their claims or just do not let it bother you. Though no reason to prevent access to a tool simply because people will misuse it to hurt the feelings of others. Harden though feelings and maybe they will not get hurt as often.

Trust me I know what it is like to me mocked ridiculed etc . . . For a pevy of reasons. End of the day you just have to accept it and move on, or try to alter yourself or the situation to avoid the comments in the first place.

[Caurcas]

The problem with an official parsers is not about a toxic environment (harrassment report would still be a thing), its about 90% of the player base finding out how bad they are and complaining how they can't face the truth.

Nobody likes finding out they are a clown I suppose.

[Lilyth]

What I find interesting is that even one of the main arguments against public DPS meters, which is "they are going to harass me because I don't have time/don't care enough to optmize this game and thus I won't play up to their elitist standards", still falls flat.

Reason is simple, those "elitist" people already know your performance is bad. Those who actually care about this stuff can either tell you're playing bad or have access to tools that do so already. They don't say anything because having information is different than using that information to attack someone.

So in reality all DPS meters would do in this game is shed light on how much people really don't care about pulling their weigh on most content.

[VelKallor]

The problem with an official parsers is not about a toxic environment (harrassment report would still be a thing), its about 90% of the player base finding out how bad they are and complaining how they can't face the truth.

And that mentality is one of the major reasons parsers will never be allowed.

[Awha]

And that mentality is one of the major reasons parsers will never be allowed.

True, personal accountability would not be good for SE profit projections.

There is no excuse for screaming obscene abuse at someone over a video game. None. Ever. Then or now. If others cannot control their temper, then they need to log off and walk away for a while. There is no defending it, there is no excusing it, there is no justification whatsoever.

Excuse is irrelevant. Do not let it get to you if someone calls your hurtful things report it and move on. I can tell you that after the person says their piece you are no longer a thought in their mind. So why let them live rent free in yours.

General you.