Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Awha]

No reason to get bogged down in semantics. I could point out that someone's fat, poor, short, bald, etc. in front of other people and watch as they become uncomfortable and humiliated, but it's a petty thing to do.


Being honest is certainly not always the best policy; that's just something adults say to children because they don't feel like explaining the nuances of social interaction to them.

When determining whether or not being honest is a good or bad idea you need to read the situation and apply a certain level of common sense to it. In your case honesty seems to mainly involve criticism of people. In many situations, however, criticism isn't necessary or useful; it just creates conflict. It's your job to recognize those situations, apply logic, and realize that it would be best for everyone if you kept your criticisms to yourself.

I am sorry I woefully disagree. I do think people should be 100% honest with everyone they encounter, people should know where they stand with everyone so they can better protect and associate with individuals that align with their personality. This is how is wish to be treated, and it is how I treat others.

If conflict stems from factual remakes then the person who resorts to conflict just shows their own insecurities and general weak will. Nothing ever needs to result in conflict, unless by conflict you mean a civil discourse then that is fine and I welcome on any front. I think the world would be a better place if people we able to be honest all around. I know I personally find it refreshing when someone is 100% honest with me, and at the work place with my team they have also told me as such outside of one person that they appreciate that they know for a fact where I always stand with them.

I also find it easier to work with someone I do not like or does not like me if we are upfront regarding our own personal view of one another. After we let that baggage out we are free to respect one another for the quantifiable qualities like work ethic or quality of work. I do not like everyone on my team as people, but I respect them as teammates and workers because I respect their work.

I view the world vastly different from most and I get this, but this is how I live I respectfully disagree that honest is not the best policy.

[Goji1639]

I view the world vastly different from most and I get this, but this is how I live I respectfully disagree that honest is not the best policy.

Fair enough, I'm not really here to try to change you. If you choose to completely ignore all the nuance involved in social interaction I feel like your life is going to be a complicated one, though. Best of luck.

[ForteNightshade]

Just because the rules and enforcement won't change doesn't mean SE would want to embolden players to break the rules by officially endorsing parser.

Except it isn't emboldening players as that applies they're condoning the behavior.

SE defines obstruction of play as nuisance behavior, which can still result in penalty even if it is not classified as harassment.

If "lackluster damage" is a means used to deliberately obstruct play, then you can try reporting it. Otherwise, there is no double standard because making a rule based on judging people's performance is just silly. If the content allows for even "lackluster damage" to clear, then it is not a problem with the player.

They're only able to clear on the backs of better players willing to put forth more effort. This is the intrinsic problem people have, specially at the higher end difficulty level. Many of us on the pro-parser side aren't asking for perfection but an effort and willingness to improve. Of course SE has little incentive to promote any system that might keeps players away no matter how unfit they are for that content since it potentially impacts their bottom line.

So, because it's against the ToS, you are willing to subject a massive amount of players to abuse for a month (hah!) in order to get a parser ?

And then you qualify telling people about their 'low damage' as "It simply isn't [harassment]" ... Perhaps, in your eyes. Not in mine. Go ahead and "gently" abuse, and see how long the ToS permanent ban takes to come crashing down on you.

First and foremost, it wouldn't be a "massive amount" as this implies players are literally chomping at the bits to not only harass one another but risk their accounts. The latter of which is why it wouldn't last long provided GMs did their job. Case in point, botting only became as big a problem as it is now because more people realized how lax SE handles things. If they suddenly started banning long time offenders, many of the players botting would immediately stop simply out of fear. The same applies to public parsing.

Regardless, by your logic, a teacher grading you anything below a B is "harassment." Your boss criticising your performance at work is harassment and so forth. It's nonsense. Neither saying "<insert name> why is your damage so low?" nor "No, we're wiping because healer DPS is way too low" is harassment in any logical sense of the word.

[ZedxKayn]

So, because it's against the ToS, you are willing to subject a massive amount of players to abuse for a month (hah!) in order to get a parser ?

And then you qualify telling people about their 'low damage' as "It simply isn't [harassment]" ... Perhaps, in your eyes. Not in mine. Go ahead and "gently" abuse, and see how long the ToS permanent ban takes to come crashing down on you.

I guess I can report my static members if I cause a wipe and they point it out because it's pointing out an inconvenient truth, since it's harassment now.

Or maybe I can hold myself accountable and take no offense which is honestly bare minimum in a cooperative setting regardless of the difficulty of the content.

[JRat]

If the parsers are only used as a tool to improve your own performance then: Sure i would go with that.

If parsers become a tool to judge other players with then: No. I will not support that.

[Awha]

Fair enough, I'm not really here to try to change you. If you choose to completely ignore all the nuance involved in social interaction I feel like your life is going to be a complicated one, though. Best of luck.

To be honest it is the opposite it is rather simple. This is why I prefer my black and white approach. I mean maybe those interacting with me may find it complicated but for me honestly it is rather simple. Though I am also not out to make friends or be friendly with people either.

[TaleraRistain]

I think a lot of casuals would be happy to get rid of raiders and the content we genuinely enjoy. Which is why threads like these dissolve into an ‘us vs them’ theme.

Consider the argument in this thread. Many raiders are coming in and saying they want to not only hold people to their arbitrary standards in their own content, but they want the content aimed at the casual playerbase to also hold to those arbitrary standards.

Raiders don't like casuals who don't prepare for the hardcore content and who don't view that content with a hardcore mindset. That's a fair assessment. But another fair assessment is that the more hardcore playerbase can't and won't accept the casual mindset in the casual's content and instead want to force their own rules on it.

If raiders want casuals to respect their content, they have to also be willing to respect the casual's content.

[VelKallor]

I agree with the rest of your post, but again I in no way implied that people should be rude to each other or that friends should willingly endure abuse by their 'friends'. I just think the way they talked about it showed how much they truly cared about their friend (they didn't) and that someone who breaks friendships that easily over a one-time time thing shouldn't talk about issues regarding communication at all /shrug

Oh I care about him a great deal, and I keep tabs on him..but until he can get whatever the hell it is thats eating him sorted, Im not here to be screamed at. There are limits.

[ZedxKayn]

Consider the argument in this thread. Many raiders are coming in and saying they want to not only hold people to their arbitrary standards in their own content, but they want the content aimed at the casual playerbase to also hold to those arbitrary standards.

Raiders don't like casuals who don't prepare for the hardcore content and who don't view that content with a hardcore mindset. That's a fair assessment. But another fair assessment is that the more hardcore playerbase can't and won't accept the casual mindset in the casual's content and instead want to force their own rules on it.

If raiders want casuals to respect their content, they have to also be willing to respect the casual's content.

Asking for a SCH to summon their fairy or a DRG to use their DoT and to not have a mental breakdown when asked to try to do something is not being hardcore. Christ. That's what is bothering the oh so toxic pro-parser elitists. No one is gonna care as long as a modicum of mindfulness is put in multiplayer content.

[VelKallor]

Consider the argument in this thread. Many raiders are coming in and saying they want to not only hold people to their arbitrary standards in their own content, but they want the content aimed at the casual playerbase to also hold to those arbitrary standards.

They want to be like what they had in WOW, gatekeepers as to who does what content and when and to "weed out" all those they deem "not worthy" of said content

"This is for raiders only you dont deserve to see it,...you DO need to pay for it though, you need to pay for our fun"

For the last time

There will not ever be an official FF 14 parser.