Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Roeshel]

The language used by pro-parsers in this thread is pretty much self-explanatory and self-evident. Calling people "clowns", "softies", "baddies" and the like for disagreeing, telling them to just "get over it" in regards to extreme verbal abuse (victim blaming much?). All arguments for parsers so far have yet to be articulated in a civil and constructive manner. And yet you wonder, with people like you being pro-parser, why the devs are against officially endorsing it?

I don't even know why you lot didn't just stick to wow. It's not as pretty/not "anime-ish" enough for you, I suppose? But then you insist on bringing old attitudes from there, to FFXIV. I guess old habits die hard.

Also, read up on the "Koike Incident".

Calling someone, who is bad, bad is not verbal abuse. It is part of recognizing the problem. Players that play bad bring frustration, especially if they are unwilling to learn. Everything becomes difficult when they are around. I couldn't care one bit if you think that you are being attacked, harassed or insulted when someone tells the truth. The same way you don't care about your party members. A level 77 paladin that can't take the aggro of four mobs in casual content is just bad. Once he understands that simple truth, only then can he start improving.

[Senn]

Calling someone, who is bad, bad

This is why we won't get parsers. People who think like this ruin any chance of getting even private parsers built into the game. SE obviously doesn't want players pointing out each others bad parses.
And fyi, I'm not talking about giving advice on skill rotation, mechanics, or whatever because that can be beneficial. I'm talking parses - pure numbers. I'd personally like a parser, but I know some people won't shut up about other people's numbers.

[Awha]

Aye we are meant to sit back and just deal with the Sam that is getting out damaged by a healer. Simply because that is the status quo Yoshi-P wishes to maintain where as a community we pick up the slack for others the end goal of being able to clear content is all that matters.

Which is fine but let us not kid ourselves that they do this because they solely want to foster and create a welcoming and friendly community. This is a profit driven choice personal accountability is not good for profits people would quit in droves of they were suddenly expected by the community not so much the game to perform at a certain level for their job and ilvl

[Caurcas]

This is why we won't get parsers. People who think like this ruin any chance of getting even private parsers built into the game. SE obviously doesn't want players pointing out each others bad parses.
And fyi, I'm not talking about giving advice on skill rotation, mechanics, or whatever because that can be beneficial. I'm talking parses - pure numbers. I'd personally like a parser, but I know some people won't shut up about other people's numbers.

Well there are usually two instances that come up. One, a person gets called out for being a bit low and maybe need to clean up their rotation a bit. These are usually pretty friendly or neutral, and rarely aggressive. Two, is what I like to call the "what the ****" kind of abysmal. So bad and bizarre you wonder if another player is on the other end, or if its so kind of bot. These also aren't usually aggressive due to how much it befuddles those who witness them.

[Radacci]

You can check those raid dummies, and clear faster, that's the closest you'll get to personal parser.

You can see in party list, aggro order. MT has highest, then preferably DPS 2-5.
Spammy healers can get lots of aggro too.

[Roeshel]

This is why we won't get parsers. People who think like this ruin any chance of getting even private parsers built into the game. SE obviously doesn't want players pointing out each others bad parses.
And fyi, I'm not talking about giving advice on skill rotation, mechanics, or whatever because that can be beneficial. I'm talking parses - pure numbers. I'd personally like a parser, but I know some people won't shut up about other people's numbers.

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If we had official parsers I wouldn't need to tell someone who is underperforming that they are underperforming. You are not making sense. As I already said, that recognizing the problem is the first step that needs to be taken if one wants to improve. If you by level 77 have not realized that you are utterly bad at your job as a tank then you need to be told that. Don't take it personally, maybe try talking with people to figure out how you can play your job better instead of hiding behind your screen, not responding to any question or advice given. I don't have to keep you in the dungeon, I did it because you were on your msq.

[Senn]

Well there are usually two instances that come up. One, a person gets called out for being a bit low and maybe need to clean up their rotation a bit. These are usually pretty friendly or neutral, and rarely aggressive. Two, is what I like to call the "what the ****" kind of abysmal. So bad and bizarre you wonder if another player is on the other end, or if its so kind of bot. These also aren't usually aggressive due to how much it befuddles those who witness them.

I don't think SE wants people mentioning parses at all, though. Even if it's rather neutral.

If we had official parsers I wouldn't need to tell someone who is underperforming that they are underperforming.

You and I both know that won't stop others from calling other people out. This is why we won't get parsers. I want parsers, I'm just telling you why we won't get them.

[Wavaryen]

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If we had official parsers I wouldn't need to tell someone who is underperforming that they are underperforming. You are not making sense. As I already said, that recognizing the problem is the first step that needs to be taken if one wants to improve. If you by level 77 have not realized that you are utterly bad at your job as a tank then you need to be told that. Don't take it personally, maybe try talking with peopl to figure out how you can play your job bettere instead of hiding behind your screen, not responding to any question or advice given. I don't have to keep you in the dungeon, I did it because you were on your msq.

Some people just don't care to play better, and enjoy playing the job in that way.

The developers look at other mmorpgs and saw how parsers are being used. The bad out weigh the good for them, and I sorta agree.


More to mmos than just improving your numbers. If they go back on this way of thinking it will be reflected on the community. We seen what happens with other mmorpgs. Why bring that to this one?

[Roeshel]

Some people just don't care to play better, and enjoy playing the job in that way.

What do you mean enjoy playing the job that way? What is that way? There are many ways to play. I am not expecting everyone to have the best performance in every run, I am expecting basic competency. And in case it is lacking, I am expecting that you can at least communicate. Tell us why you are unable to play and give us a good reason to carry you. "It is just fun for me to be bad" is not good enough.

When your enjoyment comes at the expense of the people around you, you are toxic. You may not be using words, but your actions speak louder.

You don't have to queue up with random people when you give zero ****s how your actions are affecting them and feel you have no obligation or responsibility with the role that you've picked to play, you can always do dungeons with your squadron or trust npc-s. When you are with people, things are expected of you.

[Wavaryen]

What do you mean enjoy playing the job that way? What is that way? There are many ways to play. I am not expecting everyone to have the best performance in every run, I am expecting basic competency. And in case it is lacking, I am expecting that you can at least communicate. Tell us why you are unable to play and give us a good reason to carry you. "It is just fun for me to be bad" is not good enough.

When your enjoyment comes at the expense of the people around you, you are toxic. You may not be using words, but your actions speak louder.

You don't have to queue up with random people when you give zero ****s how your actions are affecting them and feel you have no obligation or responsibility with the role that you've picked to play, you can always do dungeons with your squadron or trust npc-s. When you are with people, things are expected of you.

Some people don't play in basic competency. Some people don't use skills they don't like in a job no matter how good said skill is. Some don't do a rotation how we want.



Tons of people like that in this mmo. The best way to counter act it, is to be apart of a ls and build your own groups that has players you know that all agree to be at your acceptable level of competence. If you are using a queue system to find your groups and want people to play at your acceptable level. That is not going to happen. This mmorpg has so many types of players and play styles that don't see your way of thinking.