Fire II

[Rongway]

Oh so you were making a complete tangent not relevant to the discussion, cool.

If we're going to talk about relevant to the discussion, let's be completely fair:

Your first reply to the Calculator comment was a serious reply to what was a joke about how people doing lots maths are Calculators, a Final Fantasy Tactics job based on arithmetic. The job's contemporary localized name is Arithmetician. It was not a a post accusing people of being bad or enjoying playing wrong. An example of what would have been an appropriate exchange is

My impression from this thread is that you guys aren't really black mages. You're all really Calculators masquerading as black mages.

The PC term is Arithmetician, tyvm.

You missed the joke. That's fine. But please just stop already.

Instant ogcds require 1 second to execute for the animation. So it would be 15 secs.

Instant actions, including spells and weaponskills, take on average 0.7s. Some (e.g., Displacement) take slightly longer.

[ReiMakoto]

Oh so you were making a complete tangent not relevant to the discussion, cool. We were talking about the balance of black mage and the fact that it contains buttons within its own kit which are sub optimal to press and dont contribute to blms playstyle so pressing them is objectively bad. Your comparison of mch being a "bad button" when compared to bard doesnt logically track as as bawked as SB machinist was, its buttons all contributed to its kit, and for better or worse it was mostly balanced by the end (first ultimate clears used mch). Saying picking MCH over brd in SB is equivalent to a BLM choosing to use fire 2 is such mental gymnastics im not sure how anyone was supposed to dissect your thinking. This is not even getting into flavour/taste arguments.

To simplify further:
SB MCH:
Viable, Different Playstyle, More optimal than BRD in certain non-meta comps, dismantles lower CD and more immediate usefulness made it better defensive utility than troub at times

Fire 2:
Objectively Terrible beyond a certain level, Actively trolling your party/limiting effectiveness to use.

If we're going to talk about relevant to the discussion, let's be completely fair:

Your first reply to the Calculator comment was a serious reply to what was a joke about how people doing lots maths are Calculators, a Final Fantasy Tactics job based on arithmetic. The job's contemporary localized name is Arithmetician. It was not a a post accusing people of being bad or enjoying playing wrong. An example of what would have been an appropriate exchange is






You missed the joke. That's fine. But please just stop already.



Instant actions, including spells and weaponskills, take on average 0.7s. Some (e.g., Displacement) take slightly longer.

I agree i misread the initial joke because ive never heard of the job referred to as a calculator, everything past that was an interesting exchange (imo) resulting from the incorrect reading i initially had.

[NobleWinter]

I had no idea Fire 2 was this bad all this time. I dont play BLM thankfully but wow this was informative. There are so many abilities in this game that seem useful but are traps to lead people to poor performance. I feel like every class should be shaped to lead you to optimal play. All these Free Cure Procs in different class flavors have got to go.

[AC9Breaker]

Rongway should change his user name to Rightway.

[Quintessa]

..The amount of misunderstanding in this thread is unreal.

It's simple math as well as history. Fire 2 is being phased out. It's been nerfed like..4 times already?

Edit: I remember when Fire 2 was 200 potency. That was a long time ago folks.