Dual purpse classes/jobs

[Kitfox]

WAR only fits the tank role, they just happen to do decent damage while at it. WAR is not as good as other DDs in a DD slot, because they have absolutely no enmity reducing abilities, or dmg boosting abilities (compare to power surge / fists of fire / Raging Shot even). Even MRD is probably better as a single target DD when they're not tanking.

[Enfarious]

Really though?
A WAR can drop a group of mobs in the time it takes a mnk or drg to drop 1 while not doing bosses that's significant, enough so that drg and mnk are mostly useless. Then when you get to a boss/NM war turns on the tank and proves pld worthless.

So I'll say yes, single target WAR falls short on dmg, but the reality here is when a group is facing a single target the war is tanking it so it's irrelevant when facing the groups otw to that single target the war is putting them down faster than any other job, except WHM.

That's 2 roles covered better than other jobs can do them, run out on lnc/drg and get 10 mobs do the same on war, tell me which works out better.

My point continues to be, war and NO other job can dual purpose. It doesn't make sense. As much as I love melee jobs, and don't really want to see anything nerfed things are not equal or even close to it.

[DoctorMog]

Actually, a good BRD can DD and do a very good job at support.

But too many bards would rather DD than heal/stoneskin/double song/rebuff/dd

Enhancing magic potency / healing magic potency / MP build IS an option I haven't seen any other bards do.

[Enfarious]

They can DD and support, but their support isn't comparable to a WHM, it's a role unto itself.
I've never payed much attention to a BRDs dmg output, tho I imagine it can be substantial if it's anything like rng from XI.
But I somehow don't think that their dual purpose really stacks up to a war, war puts others out of business, brd keeps others in business.
So maybe it's more a problem w/ what roles war plays. I'm still inclined to think that no job should be dual purpose, jobs were, unless I'm horribly mistaken, specializations from a class, specializtion typically means PIMP at 1 thing, not good at 2.

I won't mention that I think brd being based off arc was a horrible thing, I can't think of any time that that's been done before, brd has always been and "song and dance" rogue job, going all the way back to original D&D, I know this isn't D&D just saying though.

[Dragon]

With the switch of a stance a WAR goes from competent DD to competent Tank and back again. No other job can do this, not truly,

This is completely false.

Competent White Mages can nuke and heal at the same time, and their nukes can be just as effective as BLM
Competent Bards do DD and support at the same time, and their support is just as useful as WHM while their DPS remains even with other jobs.

I won't mention that I think brd being based off arc was a horrible thing, I can't think of any time that that's been done before, brd has always been and "song and dance" rogue job, going all the way back to original D&D, I know this isn't D&D just saying though.

Also false.

Bards throughout D&D and RPGs have been the jacks of various weapons and fighting styles.

[Malakhim]

So even after the update, and proposed patches up to 1.22b WAR remains the only job that can truly dual purpose, does that continue it on the path of OP?

Hold the phone. You're saying that aside from WAR, jobs are suited to one specific specialization?

...Sounds like things are working as advertised. Nothing to see here, folks.

[Duelle]

Hold the phone. You're saying that aside from WAR, jobs are suited to one specific specialization?

...Sounds like things are working as advertised. Nothing to see here, folks.

What the OP is getting at is that it's not really fair that a job that do two things and everyone else is stuck with one. In part I agree with the OP, but the aspects of WAR are still tied to each other. In that regard, it's almost like the battle designer is bent on getting what was tried (and failed) with WAR in FFXI "right".

[Xianghua]

Most Jobs have dual roles problem is most are not really needed.

Pld - Tank and Support tank
War- DD and Tank
Whm- Healer and Enfeebler/nuker
Blm- DD and Crowd control
Brd- DD and Support
Mnk- DD and Support (not sure what it would really be called but Taunt + Featherfoot is very nice if a mage pulls hate or tanks about to die)

And Dragoon just seems to be the only one that has one role. But as I said there is no fight right now that needs the other jobs to use their side role besides brd/war.

[Giit]

I'd like to see WHM have effective damage over time spells (DoTs) instead of nukes shared with THM, BLM, and CNJ. it would specialize the job a bit more imo. just my humble opinion.

[Akumu]

I see no problem with there being some hybrid like classes/jobs. It's just give options for those that level it.
Every MMO has its Hybrid classes and WAR is one for this game. Making it strictly DD or Tank has never fit the theme of the job to me.