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  1. #11
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    IDontPetLalas's Avatar
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    Alinne Seamont
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    For what it's worth Noct AST is really not as good as Diurnal AST. It has its uses, if you main AST you should know when you should (or should not) play it. So, if you're in an alliance, there's a good chance, depending upon your co-healer that you won't end up in Noct AST. even in a 4 man, you may end up switching to diurnal, or even switching back and forth.

    I think SCH is more challenging than AST under specific conditions - in general- if you die, SCH absolutely SUCKS. I'll let you find out why, really it's the healer that suffers the worst penalties.

    I do think that in levelling dungeons, SCH really does force someone to be a proactive shield healer, you'll have the fairy to think about, which will actually help you heal- and Sage won't have that- so there would be an adjustment- but I expect the basic barrier concept would be very similar.
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Scholar is probably a good pick since it is also a shield-based healer. And if you don't have any casters levelled yet, that gives you two jobs for the effort of one.
    This is my go to strategy each expansion. SMN to do overworld stuff quick, switch to SCH when I need to do a dungeon / trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    I think SCH is more challenging than AST under specific conditions - in general- if you die, SCH absolutely SUCKS. I'll let you find out why, really it's the healer that suffers the worst penalties.
    Completely disagree here. It depends if Aetherflow is up or not. If it is, Lucid > Atherflow and dump 3 Energy drains give you a LOT of MP back very quickly.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Bella Ciao
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    The one you enjoy playing the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    This is my go to strategy each expansion. SMN to do overworld stuff quick, switch to SCH when I need to do a dungeon / trial.



    Completely disagree here. It depends if Aetherflow is up or not. If it is, Lucid > Atherflow and dump 3 Energy drains give you a LOT of MP back very quickly.

    MP is the least of your issues if you die as a SCH. For one thing- hey - where did my fairy go?
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    Ven Black
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Scholar is probably a good pick since it is also a shield-based healer. And if you don't have any casters levelled yet, that gives you two jobs for the effort of one.
    Nocturnal AST instead. Enjoy it while it lasts!
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    Laphicet Melophicet
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    None of them, don't bother with current healers as they're not very fun unless you like carpal tunnel and other RSIs from pressing one button over and over.

    If you're insistent on playing one, though. Use either WHM for its ease of use, or use Nocturnal AST since that's being taken from AST and being made into Sage if the trailer is anything to go by.... while still being a 1-button-wonder spam class.
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    Noah Orih
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    I see people suggesting SCH because it's a barrier healer, but the thing is, that doesn't really mean anything right now. Barriers are near-identical to flat healing in functionality. The only barrier that has any amount of unique attributes that make it different than just healing is Blackest Night, and that's on a tank.

    It ultimately depends on what or if they intend to do anything about barriers for healers in 6.0, but if you want to actually learn how to play around barriers, then Dark Knight is your best option.
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  8. #18
    Player IceBlueNinja's Avatar
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    Blade Beoulve
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    noct ast because if build properly and use correct it can really put some nice migitation for the entire party for more effective and easier than sch with its only 125% succor vs co+helios=for 250% cata is that 15% hope and once u get your one cata and use DT u gotta wait on that horrible 1min+ cd of DT so any additional cata if it even happens become useless while ur waiting on that DT horrible skill cd to come off. co is only 60 secs cool down big difference vs dt 1min+ timer. Di intersect+netrual aspected bene=450% block totally pwns even alqo. noct ast +dirunal netrual sect ast shields and regens all stack to boot, the only thing that do not stack of ast is their cards all their spells stack, enjoy this before square turns us into another sch/sch combination. Shown as you can see in my sig which the regens+shields stack. Finally co = instant cast shield, aspected benefic instant cast shield and light speed + aspected helios also = instant cast. get a old lvl 60 hw or sb 70 duties and enjoy them big bubbles covering your hp while a sch which its mere 125 succor meh and nothing else to give party shield wise not counting alqo + dt until lvl 80 stuff with seraph whom Idk them shields is as just as low as succor.
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    Last edited by IceBlueNinja; 05-25-2021 at 01:13 PM.

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    Dear Boy
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    Ragnarok
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    Fisher Lv 100
    It's worth giving them all a try, it would give you a good opportunity to learn more about each individual skillset and how they function in a full-party+ setting.

    Quote Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja View Post
    until lvl 80 stuff with seraph whom Idk them shields is as just as low as succor.
    Deployment Tactics is far stronger with Adloqium because the potency is much higher than succor.
    Seraph's AOE applies an Adloqium strength shield on everyone in range and can be applied twice during the ~20s summoning window, their single target spamable one is weaker though.
    Basically everything is better than having to cast succor, including Sacred Soil.
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  10. #20
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    Liam Harper
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    White Mage Lv 90
    If it was me I'd avoid Noct AST. It's simply an inferior version of Diurnal and only serves as a necessity for low ilv prog. If things don't change much, shield healers will likely still be pure healers with bonus shields. Learning how to effectively pure heal on a "shield healer" and only use shields when necessary or they're free oGCD's will make you a better healer than going Noct to "learn shields" and blindly spamming AspHelios. For that reason Diurnal (which has Neutral and bubble mit) or SCH, and learning how to use the toolkit efficiently are probably your best choices.
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