Reaper expectations

[Jirah]

Eventually I’ll complain with the lack of weapons as it’ll repeat the same shabby treatment DNC and GNB got with their poor selection. Which would pour into all the ultimates aswell. For those keeping score at home just the shining trial weapons alone every other job has 20/20 while DNC and GNB have 2/20 and RPR and SAG will have 0/20 for probably deep into 6.3 or 6.4

[Anahlise_Auhn_Giinslai]

i expect Reaper to be kind of like this (role skills not included):

- generic 3 button single target combo, that may or may not, generate ressources.
- 2-3 button AoE combo
- "possession" mode is just inner release in disguise (might need ressource to trigger)
- 1 ranged attacks for the lulz
- 1 defensive skill on a 90-120sec CD
- 1-2 gap closers
- 1 DoT, just because.
- at least 2 self healing abilities (one or both might need said ressource)

Honestly, i don't expect very much out of it, aside it being generic as usual, as much as it pains me to say this.

You realize Reaper is a melee DPS, right? It's not a tank so I dunno why you're giving it a tank rotation.

For gameplay maybe a mix of ninja/gnb/HW drk

Reaper expectations... well, here is my expectation of/for Reaper, and a thought that is going to make me livid, if it ends up beings the case...
Hot take: what looked like Reaper has a burst.. IS old Dark Arts, under a new name, a gauge instead of a ability, and void instead of darkness, while Reaper has a "fast" feeling sustained DPS, outside of its gauge-fueled burst; making it actually just the "band-aid fix" for Dark Knight...
I have a feeling of Apprehension towards, and expect/suspect that, Reaper just ends up being the literal replacement for Dark Knight, because Squeenix told the dev team to create a new edgy darkness subclass, for all of us discontent Dark Knights to ditch Dark Knight for and switch over to, so that we stop complaining about Dark Knight.

that said, I really will ditch Dark Knight for Reaper, if Dark Knight does not improve, and I bet that a lot of other Dark Knights will also ditch Dark Knight for Reaper, so bloody 72 hells...whether it was the intent of Squeenix or not, Reaper looks like it may be just the Dark Knight issues problem-solved blow-off.

[Shiro--Tsubasa]

I kinda hope that it ends up being a selfish dps to differentiate it enough from dragoon within its armor class.
I's also like fewer buttons, but having those buttons change pending on which phase you are in, akin to pheonix trance on summoner. iirc when in pheonix trance your base spells change into strong variants that have their own flavor of animations.
I'm kinda curious if the gauge depletes while in possession phase or it is just a flat cost for a set duration. One could make the class an up keep game where you keep trying to stay in the phase as long as possible, while the other is more like a CD that changes based on your actions. (kinda like Shadow Priest insanity for those WoW players out there) I'd like either tbh, but leaning more towards the latter.

[Anahlise_Auhn_Giinslai]

Hmn... Expectation aside, my hope for Reaper is that its gameplay will at least sort-of respect how Scythe-wielding actually works, and how a Scythe is wielded in combat... Scythe Artes in real life, and to wield a Scythe in combat, is not like Swords or Axes, whom does not just directly attack the enemy.
actual Scythe Artes and Scythe-wielding, is for the most part, about countering the opponent's attacks. The Scythe-wielder waits for the enemy to attack first, and then counters with a side-step deflect, front-step Parry, or back-step riposte. Scythes in combat is a focus on countering attacks...

But then.. of course, this brings up the question of what about when the scythe-wielder is not the one being attacked, and attacking a enemy that is not attacking them? This is where the Reaper's attack animations in the reveal, looked actually good, as most of the animations looked like either side-to-side slashes, or long upwards swings; so in the case of real Scythe Artes, it looked good.
I just hope that the Reaper never does a thing as stupid as a over-head downswing, because a scythe should never be wielded like a axe or a hammer... that would only succeed in making the person look like a idiot, as they break their scythe's blade.

any way, back to the subject of counters...
I would love it if Reaper ends up having some thing related to Parry and Counter, as another reference to real Scythe Artes.

my first two ideas were if Reaper has Lancer/Dragoons' old "Keen Flurry" ability, but as a permanent passive Lv1 trait... The trait could be named some thing like "Scythe Artes" or what ever, but its effect could be that the Reaper has a ??%(how ever high that would have to be, to make Parry happen often) increased Parry chance, and Parry damage reduction is increased from 15% to 20%.
while my other idea would be if the Reaper has a oGCD ability named "Counter-stance", that for a short duration, would grant the Reaper a 100% chance to Parry attacks, and all attacks are countered, while the counter potency could have damage potential close to the Reaper's GCD WeaponSkills...
For a example, if the Reaper's GCD WeaponSkill combo would be P200 - P300 - P400, and the usual P100 outside of combo bonus, the counter potency could be P150 or P200.

[Shurrikhan]

I kinda hope that it ends up being a selfish dps to differentiate it enough from dragoon within its armor class.

Tangential, but...

Tbh, I can't imagine the addition or removal of a hit-after-n-GCDs-and-then-on-cooldown fire-and-forget buff adjusting a job's identity.

If Battle Litany actually opened up certain avenues of play based on party actions, that -- while likely to increase irritation more powerfully/often than fun -- would actually have some impact on playflow and thereby theme.

Simply making a small part of one's throughput dependent on 3 to 7 others for no reason other than on-paper variance and increased punishment for raid CD desync... that's not a change to identity.

[nalgene]

I don't think this will happen and am unsure people even want it, but is there room in melee DPS for a type of 'easier' but more support oriented job, similar to DNC? In terms of like selfish DPS, more buttons vs less, more positionals vs less, etc., it seems like a lot of the standard bases are already covered with melee.

[MagiusNecros]

It won't be Reaper but I think a melee dps could primarily be a support class with low damage offset with many partywide buffs to other people's heals, mitigation and overall dps. Haste buffs would also be nice.

I think players would appreciate a Red Mage styled melee job that is simple and easy to pick up.

Red Mage is very much a casual job with very little nuance and is also good for progression.

Most support playstyles are held by healer classes though.

Only real support skills you really see are for damage when it comes to Ninja or Dancer.

[Titoulakikoute]

reaper will be selish, Yoshida said that he cant imagin Zenos with support and assistance skills and and I think it makes sense to differentiate it from the dragoon that has support spells for the team. What "scares me" is that suddenly the reaper will be in direct competition with the samurai. I did not want to find the same scenario between the dancer and the bard which was below and therefore much less played than the dancer

[Claire_Pendragon]

id imagine the melee DPS equivalent of MCH.

[Rymi64]

id imagine the melee DPS equivalent of MCH.

That's samurai XD

reaper will be selish, Yoshida said that he cant imagin Zenos with support and assistance skills and and I think it makes sense to differentiate it from the dragoon that has support spells for the team. What "scares me" is that suddenly the reaper will be in direct competition with the samurai. I did not want to find the same scenario between the dancer and the bard which was below and therefore much less played than the dancer

Probably wont be the same scenario as dnc and bard since you dont have to worry about having both being able to buff the party. Just have to make it so they both do close enough damage to each other